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    Optimal Boot Speed Hibination Suspend modes.

    Hi , just a quick question Is it worth setting the M1 or M2 to Never hard off and use hibination for quick start ups I have a deep cycle battery and I belive the m1 kills its self before it gets to low, any suggestions or should I just work on boot speed its self?

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    Depending on your Setup, i have been experimenting with S3 Standby, thats where there is always power to the RAM, its takes 3 secs to get back to my music playing but my car does not shut power off to the usb at this time, so im going to go with Hibernate which writes memory to the HDD and then powers off completly.

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    Hibernation requires no power whatsoever to maintain that state.
    Standby (suspend to RAM) does require power to maintain that state.

    In my opinion, hibernation is the way to go. It's substantially faster than a cold boot and doesn't require any power.
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    with the small amount of voltage that it takes to keep the information in ram during a suspend mode, how long do you think it would take to kill your battery with that. I would really like being able to just suspend my computer instead of hibernating it but i also do not want to kill my battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentMcGhee
    with the small amount of voltage that it takes to keep the information in ram during a suspend mode, how long do you think it would take to kill your battery with that. I would really like being able to just suspend my computer instead of hibernating it but i also do not want to kill my battery.
    It's not the voltage that matters...it's the current. If you want to know, then:

    1) Get a voltmeter that measures DC current...I got one for ~$15 at AutoZone that measures up to 10A

    2) Wire the meter leads inline with your power supply's standby connection to the motherboard. If you search for and read the ATX powersupply specs, you can find which pin on the connector supplies power for the Standby state. Measuring the current draw would then just be a matter of wiring the meter leads in series with the standby lead and reading the meter while the computer is in standby mode.

    3) Figure out how many Amp-hours your battery is rated at, and compare with the current draw you measured. For example, if you determined that the computer draws 0.010 amps when in standby, and your battery is rated at 1 amp hours, then your battery would last approximately 100 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm
    It's not the voltage that matters...it's the current. If you want to know, then:

    1) Get a voltmeter that measures DC current...I got one for ~$15 at AutoZone that measures up to 10A

    2) Wire the meter leads inline with your power supply's standby connection to the motherboard. If you search for and read the ATX powersupply specs, you can find which pin on the connector supplies power for the Standby state. Measuring the current draw would then just be a matter of wiring the meter leads in series with the standby lead and reading the meter while the computer is in standby mode.

    3) Figure out how many Amp-hours your battery is rated at, and compare with the current draw you measured. For example, if you determined that the computer draws 0.010 amps when in standby, and your battery is rated at 1 amp hours, then your battery would last approximately 100 hours.
    Just need to clarify, that you do NOT need to put the meter between the PS and the MB as you suggest. You can put it in series between the battery and the PS power wires. This will tell you how much total power the PS is using when in suspend.

    Also, it is VERY difficult to tell you how long, even after knowing the amperage draw in suspend. The resson being that it is almost impossible to know at what amperage/voltage level you will be unable to start your car. You can get an APPROXIMATION at best.

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    Thank you all for your great information how ever i was slack.
    I wired it all up put it in suspend mode and well just waited overnight the car started . Heeps of amps and voltage left , as I have a amp and volt meter in the car spot on this is the solution that I was after fast boot times no ipod boot problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiredwrx
    Just need to clarify, that you do NOT need to put the meter between the PS and the MB as you suggest. You can put it in series between the battery and the PS power wires. This will tell you how much total power the PS is using when in suspend.

    Also, it is VERY difficult to tell you how long, even after knowing the amperage draw in suspend. The resson being that it is almost impossible to know at what amperage/voltage level you will be unable to start your car. You can get an APPROXIMATION at best.

    Michael
    Yep, that will work very well, assuming that you have a meter that is capable of handling the current. Most meters that I have seen max out at around 10A DC...I was suggesting a way to bypass this limitation with a lower amperage meter.

    ...and you're right, it will be an approximation at best. I would guess that some trial discharges would be in order before venturing too far from home.

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    Yeh doesnt seem to be a problem my optima seems to handle it well i started to think of laptops and how long they last and then the massive car battery in comparison

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    0.010A in standby is an very optimistic figure.

    On my EPIA setup with no USB devices connected, S3 standby draws about 0.143A current.

    If you have a deep-cycle, I say go for it! The M1/M2-ATX shutdown at 11v should hopefully leave you enough juice to start your car.

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