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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonknell911 View Post

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    My carputer works great and i have been driving around with it few days now.

    what you guys are talking about isnt my issue.. bugs arent my issue.. and M2's sequences arent what i DONT understand.. i just know that i dont need to waste time here.. and i dont need to be talked to like im stupid, just cuz your comprehension do not go beyond the obvious. Perhaps if you have worked for over 20 yrs in F50 companies leading major IT projects, then you would start seeing what is usually hard to explain or may be too far fetched for some to comprahend.

    Im not here to change M2, The intention of the discussion was to come up with better options and behaviours which are more robust, less painfull to setup, quiker to impliment and more fool proof.

    anyways, i found another forum where there are a few EE's and a couple of guys from intel and i got a much better feedback.

    may be ill build one of my own ! that would be truly "intelligent" and free of flaws.

    if M2 was built to ATX standards and has no flaws, then the startup problem (the capacitor replacement) shouldnt have happened. Mini-box told me that it was due to the LV677 mobo that is "different" which isnt true. The PS had a flaw and LV677 mobo had nothing to do with it. cuz the home ATX supply out of my 7 yr old compaq had no problems.. and it still doesnt. you know why? "CUZ ITS ATX COMPLIANT" and it was built when COMMELL didnt even exist..

    So my friend, M2 really isnt a very robust piece of hardware. it could have functional flaws but you dont have to defend it and accept them as perfect. The forums are full of M2 wierd behaviours, which seem to appear out of no where, people are having problems that come and go. So calm down.. and take part in the discussion instead of uncovering your guns and going to war.

    My bios settings in power management are:
    When i press the button = shut down (not "ask me what what to do").
    M2 should not reboot. and hybernate should not be my only option..

    in bios:
    On power failure = Do not restart.

    I agree with what m2 does, and dont agree with how it behaves in some cases which i think could be better.

    anyways.. this is my last visit on this post.. so good luck with your projects !
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    My carputer works great and i have been driving around with it few days now.

    what you guys are talking about isnt my issue.. bugs arent my issue.. and M2's sequences arent what i DONT understand.. i just know that i dont need to waste time here.. and i dont need to be talked to like im stupid, just cuz your comprehension do not go beyond the obvious. Perhaps if you have worked for over 20 yrs in F50 companies leading major IT projects, then you would start seeing what is usually hard to explain or may be too far fetched for some to comprahend.

    Im not here to change M2, The intention of the discussion was to come up with better options and behaviours which are more robust, less painfull to setup, quiker to impliment and more fool proof.

    anyways, i found another forum where there are a few EE's and a couple of guys from intel and i got a much better feedback.

    may be ill build one of my own ! that would be truly "intelligent" and free of flaws.

    if M2 was built to ATX standards and has no flaws, then the startup problem (the capacitor replacement) shouldnt have happened. Mini-box told me that it was due to the LV677 mobo that is "different" which isnt true. The PS had a flaw and LV677 mobo had nothing to do with it. cuz the home ATX supply out of my 7 yr old compaq had no problems.. and it still doesnt. you know why? "CUZ ITS ATX COMPLIANT" and it was built when COMMELL didnt even exist..

    So my friend, M2 really isnt a very robust piece of hardware. it could have functional flaws but you dont have to defend it and accept them as perfect. The forums are full of M2 wierd behaviours, which seem to appear out of no where, people are having problems that come and go. So calm down.. and take part in the discussion instead of uncovering your guns and going to war.

    My bios settings in power management are:
    When i press the button = shut down (not "ask me what what to do").
    M2 should not reboot. and hybernate should not be my only option..

    in bios:
    On power failure = Do not restart.

    I agree with what m2 does, and dont agree with how it behaves in some cases which i think could be better.

    anyways.. this is my last visit on this post.. so good luck with your projects !
    Chrysler Sebring 2004 Conv Limited Ed.
    Commell LV-677.
    Voom PC case.
    M2 ATX PS.
    1.8Ghz Intel Core Duo.
    1GB PNY RAM.
    Dynamix 816 (8", Wide, TS).
    80GB out of a broken laptop.
    WiFi Atheros (HP) out of a broken laptop.
    OS: Win XP MCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    and i dont need to be talked to like im stupid, just cuz your comprehension do not go beyond the obvious. Perhaps if you have worked for over 20 yrs in F50 companies leading major IT projects, then you would start seeing what is usually hard to explain or may be too far fetched for some to comprahend. !
    Another one who thinks that since he, perhaps, knows IT, knows all about computer, PSs, and cars. Great. No one talked to you like you were dumb, we talked to you like you were thick headed and stubborn. You proved that with your posts before, and certainly now. You think that there is no way we are right, and you are wrong because of your IT experience. Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    Im not here to change M2, The intention of the discussion was to come up with better options and behaviours which are more robust, less painfull to setup, quiker to impliment and more fool proof.
    WTH are you talking about. What is soo tough about connecting the M2, and setting some jumpers. What "better" options do you think there should be. More robust? What the hell are you talking about. So Genius, tell us all what you think the M2 is lacking, and that can be made "better options and behaviours which are more robust, less painfull to setup, quiker to impliment and more fool proof."

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    anyways, i found another forum where there are a few EE's and a couple of guys from intel and i got a much better feedback.
    Ohhh, the intel guy must really know his way around MBs, DC-DC PSs, and all that stuff. And an EE, great, lets see how knowledgable he is about computers and PS's in general. Good for you. Go to the EEs to figure out how to build, install, and use a carputer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    may be ill build one of my own ! that would be truly "intelligent" and free of flaws.
    There you go again, claiming that the M2 is flawed. Point to the flaw, please. Inteligent, what knowledge is it lacking. Better yet, what knowledge is the M2 lacking that other PSs have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    if M2 was built to ATX standards and has no flaws, then the startup problem (the capacitor replacement) shouldnt have happened. Mini-box told me that it was due to the LV677 mobo that is "different" which isnt true. The PS had a flaw and LV677 mobo had nothing to do with it. cuz the home ATX supply out of my 7 yr old compaq had no problems.. and it still doesnt. you know why? "CUZ ITS ATX COMPLIANT" and it was built when COMMELL didnt even exist..
    Again, talking with out knowing. So tell me genius, if the M2 works with 99 percent of the MBs out there (save the commell and the Epias off the top of my head) but not with those 2 brands, WHICH IS NON COMLIANT. If 99 percent of the MBs start fine with the "desgined" timing, but 2 do not, then why isn't it the MBs fault, since it is too sensitive to timing issues, while the other 99 percent of the MBs are not sensitive. Either way, with the resister change, it start your computer. Consider the M2 you bought to be a version one, and the moded one to be version 2. NO Product comes out perfect the first time. There are redesigns CONSTANTLY, and the M2 is one of them. So, what is the "Non compliance" currently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    So my friend, M2 really isnt a very robust piece of hardware. it could have functional flaws but you dont have to defend it and accept them as perfect. The forums are full of M2 wierd behaviours, which seem to appear out of no where, people are having problems that come and go. So calm down.. and take part in the discussion instead of uncovering your guns and going to war.
    I am perfectly happy having a conversation, but with you, the problem is that you insist there is a problem, when there isn't. You have yet to tell the problem, and show how the M2 is the cause. You have been HERE a minute and a half, and already, you have decided that something isn't good, not right, flawed, bugged, whatever. You are stubborn, and think that your years of IT experience means you know more then me and others on here, who have been using and working with carputers for years. I built my first carputer 7 or so years ago, when you were still playing with cat5 and hubs. I have read the reports on this forum about the M2 failure, but as smart as you think you are, you would know that there will ALWAYS be "failure rate". Even so, many of the posts about burning M2's have to do with exceeding the specs of the M2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    My bios settings in power management are:
    When i press the button = shut down (not "ask me what what to do").
    M2 should not reboot. and hybernate should not be my only option.
    What do you mean "Hibernate is your only option?" If that is the case, mister Brilliant IT person, check your Video drivers. Sounds like if the only option you have is Hibernate, that you have out of date vid drivers. Search the forums and you will see. (and, with 20 years of IT experience, you should know how to spell Hibernate)

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    in bios:
    On power failure = Do not restart.

    I agree with what m2 does, and dont agree with how it behaves in some cases which i think could be better.
    Once again, I ask, WHAT IS THE M2 doing that you think it should not be doing. You say your computer restarts, but that happens even when the M2 is not connected to your ACPI header. HOW THE HELL is the M2 starting the MB. How does it "behave" that could be improved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Autonator View Post
    anyways.. this is my last visit on this post.. so good luck with your projects !
    No need for luck. I have knowledge, and a working system. You are the one with the "substandard" system, that acts all wierd and stuff. You need the "luck" cause your 20 years of IT sure aren't helping.

    Let me recap, cause I write in english, and not binary or hex, cause we know that a 20 year IT professional would be much better reading hex or binary.

    1) Tell me/us, what is wrong with your system that is CAUSED by the M2?

    2) Tell me what you think should change about the M2?

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    this thread = written by a moron. Someone needs to close it and deny its previous existance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonknell911 View Post
    this thread = written by a moron. Someone needs to close it and deny its previous existance.
    Seems that way.

    You know what I just realized. He implies that the M2 is not ATX Compliant, or else it would have started his Commell, like the ATX supply from his 7 year old Compaq. Well, actually, the 7 year old compaq DOESN'T START ANYTHING. It just POWERS the system, pushing the BUTTON on the computer case starts the computer.

    The "timing" issue, which I admit is a problem, is only a problem with a select few MBs. The startup timing IS NOT AN ATX SPEC, because ATX PS's DON'T START COMPUTERS. The M2 is ATX complaint, and it INCLUDES a start up and shutdown controller. It is quite possible, that with improper timing, if one flipped an ATX desktop PS power switch, and immediately/at the same time hit the start button, it might not start because of a "timing" issue.

    Unless the OP can show me, in the ATX spec, where it mentions the minimum amount of time from power application to ACPI start signal, the M2 is Compliant, and of course, he won't be able to.

    I can't believe I missed that before, but, it just shows how the M2 is ATX compliant, no matter what, and the problem is 20 Year IT experience user error.

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    This guy stated that he has been in it for 20 years? If so doing what?
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    I'm having similiar problems with the poster. Wiring isn't an issue, it'll work fine all day, this morning I got the same problem. Worked last night, let it shutdown as usual.

    Came in my car this morning, started the car, "No Video", I hear the computer bootup, still "No Video". Manually unplugged the cable and tried it again, still no go.

    Brought it to work plugged right up to Molex connector, works fine. I did notice this happened one other time, where I had to disconnect everythign to hook it up to Molex connector at home.

    This may be problem with charge/battery/juice issue. I'll see if I continue to have a problem.

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    Same issue here.

    Initial hookup will start fine. The M2-ATX sends it "gratuitous" startup signal and the computer boots.
    If I shut down and restart it's OK but if I let it sit for any period of time, I get the fans going but no POST.
    Unless I unplug the power supply completely and start again.

    I'm looking at wiring a reset and power button onto my voompc case to see if I can use that. I bought the ATX through a reseller and I'm guessing I won't be able to find a place to exchange. Not sure what Mini-box policy is.

    Anyone want to trade for one that works with a VIA C7 motherboard?
    VoomPC, VIA C7 1.5 Ghz, 7" Newision LCD, 80 Gig WD 5400 RPM Laptop Drive, M2-ATX, RoadRunner, iGuidance, Freedom 2.0, AT&T Natural Voice Hot Babe Audrey. All wrapped up in a piece of crap Suzuki Grand Vitara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yukon View Post
    Same issue here.

    Initial hookup will start fine. The M2-ATX sends it "gratuitous" startup signal and the computer boots.
    If I shut down and restart it's OK but if I let it sit for any period of time, I get the fans going but no POST.
    Unless I unplug the power supply completely and start again.

    I'm looking at wiring a reset and power button onto my voompc case to see if I can use that. I bought the ATX through a reseller and I'm guessing I won't be able to find a place to exchange. Not sure what Mini-box policy is.

    Anyone want to trade for one that works with a VIA C7 motherboard?
    These ARE NOT the same issues. Please post your questions in a new thread. Remember, we will need a bunch of information to help when you post.

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