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    Quote Originally Posted by Maheriano View Post
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    I have to say something about everyone's argument that it's free........it isn't free, it's only free of charge. It's not free of my time nor my frustration which are infinitely more expensive than my money. The first thing I check to see if I want to buy something is whether or not it's easy and fast to obtain. If I have to register on a bunch of sites or provide details that don't seem required or sit down and concentrate on figuring out a website, then I choose not to purchase the product. Even if that product is free, I still choose not to purchase it because it's already wasting my time and my mood.
    In that aspect, I'd say the software has always had a pretty steep cost. I mean, from the very first versions, RR has always been complex to install and setup -- sure it was a quick download, but it was incredibly time-consuming overall. In fact, open the install FAQ and the first thing it says is that it's not meant for the faint of heart. Now look at it today, sure the download takes a few more clicks, and takes longer (because the install has a lot more in it), but only takes a fraction of the time to set it up. Overall it is a lot simpler and faster to set it up and use it NOW than it's ever been. So in that regard, you should be complaining about the old versions and liking the newest version. Independent of version (old/new), this software is still very time-consuming and I would never recommend it for those who don't want to spend time configuring it -- that's why there's a whole company built around the effort to make a plug-and-play product designed for those who don't have or don't want to spend the time setting it up before it can be used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maheriano View Post
    It's like if gas is cheaper on the other side of the road but it's a divided highway and I'd have to take an exit to get to it, then I'm not taking it. I'll gladly pay more for gas if it saves me time and hassle in the process, so therefore I choose not to go through the misery of getting this free product at the expense of my time and frustration.
    That's exactly my thinking as well. RR is just another gas station, everyone should pick what's best for them. If don't want to spend time on it, and overcome a few obstacles in order to get what you want, then RR is not for you -- that is exactly what the first statement of the Install FAQ means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maheriano View Post
    Secondly, a part of the reason is also because of the principle. I own online stores, one is an online skate/clothing shop and I raked through that shop making sure everything was easy to use, the checkout process is simple and I modified some of the required information because it was just stupid. I even added a plugin that let the user checkout WITHOUT creating an account......fancy that.......an e-commerce owner taking care of his patrons. I know the difference is that I get paid and you don't, however I would still get paid regardless because they would still buy my product either way. The difference is I take the effort to make these changes for my customers without seeing any return on that invested time, just the satisfaction that I'm not being hypocritical.
    It's good to know you think like that and I wish more people would think that way, however, consider if you were NOT selling but GIVING your products away. Would you still put all this effort you into making it easier to order ? and how kindly would you take on comments of annoyances and/or complaints about the order process ? Still, I have taken the time to answer questions, improve and give support to the software for years, and fix the bugs and annoyances asked by users, and in return, all I ask (NOW) is that users keep the software updated -- both 1-so the reminder won't show up (and the user will NOT be annoyed) and 2-so it greatly simplifies my job to provide support for it. Still somehow, that sounds like I'm asking too much.

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    I hope I've helped you see that it doesn't matter at all if it's free or not free, the problem people have is the annoyance. And I (we?) will not put up with it* simply for that.
    That's exactly it, though. If users keep the software updated, there will NOT be annoyances or any reminder/messages, plus they will always have the best available version of the software. If a user forgets to update, then there is a reminder that it should be done -- not a life threatening event, it's not going to cost you money, it's just ONE thing to improve the user<->provider relation. In turn, if users don't update, then I have to provide support for old software, known to have bugs (which in many cases have already been fixed), and worse, I will keep getting COUNTLESS messages about the same old problems, over and over. Asking for nothing, one thing or many things (even money), would likely never make it a "fair" deal -- that's why I never charged for my time or work on it.

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    * I unfortunately do put up with it but only until the major car show in June. After that it's balls out and I'll probably go with OpenICE, making my fourth and final computer a Linux box.
    As I said, there are plenty of gas stations, choose the one that's best for you. I truly wish Linux will (one day) offer the amount of options and features as windows does now, but I highly doubt that day will come. Still, that doesn't mean it can't have "enough" options and features to be a suitable option for a desired application.
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    So let me get this straight. There will never be a commercial version for sale that a general consumer could buy. The free version is free. The commercial version cannot be put on anything but your hardware...

    So where's the threat of unauthorized usage? You don't want the free version put on some custom hardware and sold without your approval? What's to stop someone from using the source on Blue ZX3's website and selling that?

    Guino how about a compromise. Remove the nag screen when coming out of hibernation? Or maybe it shows once every 5 hibernation resumes. Sure I could at a batch file to set the date/time for me when first booting into windows, but doesn't help at all when coming out of hibernation.

    I hear what you're saying, but really all I still hear is "why should I help you, my software is free". What a crappy take on releasing your software. Look at CarPal, it's free and all my problems and requests have been heard, taken into consideration, and will more than likely be implemented.

    Like I said, it's sad to see you've lost interest in helping us free-loaders.
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    How about some mac address registration or something like that?

    Years i've been stuck in this forum night after night almost against my will sometimes and you think i don't update my RR regularly?lol.

    Look i just dont want the RR Police popping in and out from time to time to remind me i have'nt been here in a few days,jeez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    So let me get this straight. There will never be a commercial version for sale that a general consumer could buy. The free version is free. The commercial version cannot be put on anything but your hardware...
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    So where's the threat of unauthorized usage? You don't want the free version put on some custom hardware and sold without your approval? What's to stop someone from using the source on Blue ZX3's website and selling that?
    There's no point in trying to PREVENT people from using it without authorization, the people who would do that, would do it regardless of any key/registration required and would do it regardless of a reminder screen existing or not -- there's NO STOPPING to that. However, they can do it without us knowing or with us knowing -- If we don't know, there's nothing we can do about it, but if we know then we CAN do something about it. That's where the reminder comes in: it gives a chance for us to know about it, that's all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    Guino how about a compromise. Remove the nag screen when coming out of hibernation? Or maybe it shows once every 5 hibernation resumes. Sure I could at a batch file to set the date/time for me when first booting into windows, but doesn't help at all when coming out of hibernation.

    I hear what you're saying, but really all I still hear is "why should I help you, my software is free". What a crappy take on releasing your software. Look at CarPal, it's free and all my problems and requests have been heard, taken into consideration, and will more than likely be implemented.

    Like I said, it's sad to see you've lost interest in helping us free-loaders.
    You can make RR run the same .bat file BEFORE and/or AFTER hibernation to "reset" the date and thus, you should basically never see the reminder unless the software runs for over 3 months without hibernate/resume AND without shutdown/start.

    I'm not denying help to you, in fact, I just told you how to prevent the reminder on your computer with a broken date. It's sad that after spending such a long time just answering to your remarks, you'd think that I have no interest in helping the users here.
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    Oh I see. I had no idea I could use RR to run a batch/exe before and after hibernation. I'll give that a go. Thank you for the help. It really is appreciated. Sorry it took this long to get to the point of me understanding what my options were.
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    Sorry to do this to you, Guino, I don't want you to think I keep hammering you with annoyances and making you feel like a jerk. Like I said in our private message conversation, you're a god for what you've done with Road Runner, starting it up and maintaining it for free. My problem is with the turn you've taken on the project, not with you personally. But the point of this post is that I have to disagree with what you said here and forgot to include it in my last post:
    Quote Originally Posted by guino View Post
    I believe you feel at loss here (probably) because of the illusion that you could have had the improved features on the old software -- which is NOT TRUE since, as I said, a lot of the time I now have to work on this, is because of the changes that have been done.
    This isn't true. Look at MeediOS, something happened where the developers stopped supporting the product and doing updates for it so the forum community took it and now they are continuing the releases on their own. I guarantee you if the source code was open and you decided you didn't have the time to keep working on it, myself and others would pick it up and make the enhancements ourselves. So these additions and probably more would still be added and available.
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    One big bad thing about the "Open" part that Me and mitch were talking about is the fact that having everyones fingers in the cookie jar is its also harder to debug and then you have people adding things in a usual sloppy mananer(bad coding habits). With the way that is currently, we("The Team") several times have improved on old code that was previously added by a user that works but could be done in a much more efficient way instead of using that time to either add some other feature(s) or fix other small bugs still hanging around..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue ZX3 View Post
    One big bad thing about the "Open" part that Me and mitch were talking about is the fact that having everyones fingers in the cookie jar is its also harder to debug and then you have people adding things in a usual sloppy mananer(bad coding habits). With the way that is currently, we("The Team") several times have improved on old code that was previously added by a user that works but could be done in a much more efficient way instead of using that time to either add some other feature(s) or fix other small bugs still hanging around..
    Just a fyi, most open source projects limit who can directly contribute to the code base, and any code to be added goes through a strict approval process. This keeps so called "bad coding habits" out of the source while still allowing the community to contribute. It also lets you easily bring new people in to the pool of contributing developers. Open source is NOT a detriment to the code as your post seems to indicate, and if you feel this way then perhaps the open source project's you've worked on have been badly managed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maheriano View Post
    This isn't true. Look at MeediOS, something happened where the developers stopped supporting the product and doing updates for it so the forum community took it and now they are continuing the releases on their own. I guarantee you if the source code was open and you decided you didn't have the time to keep working on it, myself and others would pick it up and make the enhancements ourselves. So these additions and probably more would still be added and available.
    Make yourself right at home then.. the sources for the 11-02-07 RR are floating around so you and anyone else who wishes to chip in and continue the work can go right ahead.. furthermore if there's a desire to add any of those changes into the new RR, I'll gladly do it. However, like blue said, the Team approach is a lot better for us coders.. and anyone who wishes to join the team, can talk to me and we'll go from there. Still, the way you put it, it sounds like I should have dropped the ball and left it to the community to continue the work, that is, instead of taking the chance to continue my involvement with it (which is what I chose to do however I could).
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    What would be the point... now that you have a closed source and commercial version, who's gonna want to use the bastardization of a 2 year old source?

    Someone would be better off contributing to a current opensource project than trying to continue one on when the original project is now closed off.
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