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    I will also warn that the skin that I will be including will be VERY crude, as I am NOT graphicaly creative!
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    1. Isn't this taking us towards having a database of songs, similar to CF.

    if so then that is what a lot of people have neem asking for as hopefully it will speed up the search

    if not could it not be nudged towards that.

    2. It would mean that everyones tags would have to be upto date or entered even for it to word properly

    3. Again another concern over cpu usage.

    4. Is this any better than notepad? (sorry had to add, and you probably expected it anyway )


    5. Some pics of how it would work in a skin would be nice.

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    if not could it not be nudged towards that.
    Uh, you kinda lost me on that one...

    1. Isn't this taking us towards having a database of songs, similar to CF.
    No, not really, the idea here was for it to only be used for the ratings, not like as in a whole RR song database kinda way. That what smartplaylist is for, both me and sonic thought that it could be used for this as well but the facts were that it would have been easy from a programmers perspective, but not the average users. Hence, the seperate playlists in sonic's program.

    2. It would mean that everyones tags would have to be upto date or entered even for it to word properly
    Well tag wise, yes. I have all my music tagged correctly but I know many do not. And for the ones that just use the file names(no ID3 opton), I'm can't remember what gets displayed by by the tab labels(will have to check on). The base lookup critria is the song path.

    3. Again another concern over cpu usage.
    See above explanation.

    4. Is this any better than notepad? (sorry had to add, and you probably expected it anyway )


    5. Some pics of how it would work in a skin would be nice.
    Yes, those are coming. I have just recently started working on the whole skin interaction delema.

    Expect something along the lines of my config skinning attempt skin graphics*crude" but functionality over looks. Graphics is your guy's part.
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    How would you guys feel about the list thing (artist/genre) not being something that is utilizing a RR type list. I have just shot off a PM to Guino about this. I am just trying to make it so that it would like like anyother rr skin.

    If it not that big of a deal, then I have made progress in this area of the plugin, if so then I'll await a answer from guino...
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    This definately sounds like a great addition! And, you asked, yes I do have input

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    How would you guys feel about the list thing (artist/genre) not being something that is utilizing a RR type list.
    Actually, sorry, I don't like that part.... I think it should work with the existing RR lists. The main reason being, in an upcoming RR release, is the ability to scroll through music much like on an iPhone. Plus the ability to change font sizes, colors, skin the shape and size of the directory list ect. The alternative is to simply use the database to create "temporary playlists" and just have RR display them normally. For instance, you do a genre search for "rock". The database makes a temporary playlist of all "rock" genre songs, and passes that to RR.

    I agree with enforcer above 100%. a Database for ALL songs, including all of the rating is much needed in Road Runner. The ability to search for an artist, song, year or any other tag, would be fantastic! Currently the method of searching the hard drive takes quite a bit of time. I am using the ActiveWinamp plugin, with a couple of scripts to do database searches in my skin and it is lightning fast!

    WIth the standard RR hard drive search, it takes around 30 seconds to scan the 30,000 or so MP3's. With the database, it returns results in 1-2 seconds tops.

    Another advantage of a database type search, is the ability to use bits and pieces of the artist, title, album name. Such as a search for "busi work" would return the album "Business as usual" by "Men at work"

    Right now the ratings can be done with the ratings plugin, and the database search with the Active Winamp plugin, and a few scripts...

    However, if you can get all of the music on your system into the database, and be able to search that, as well as have the ratings.... that would replace the ratings scripts, the active winamp plugin, and the scripts for that plugin as well. This would be a huge new "central core" for the way RR searches for and organizes music.

    Hell, this could even replace individual playlists all together, as just a playlist "tag" in the database will break songs you want into playlists for you.
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    First, I know that anything dealing with ones WHOLE music database, "should" be native to rr core code. One big thing is that it wouldn't require newer users to need any additional plugins as like the route mine has been taking.

    On another note, I know that this could be a plugin kinda extra feature, as many ppl have asked for this kinda feature before, hell...even WA looks at it as a plugin haha.

    The whole thing that got me started on this was because I started to play around with the SQLite that comes bundled with autoit now. The testing that I started at work was done when I made a parts database that contained two tables(parts from two diff companys), one table has 60k rows & 4 cols, the other like 30k rows & 4 cols(~4mb db) and looking up any info was next to instant! So I know that speed would not be an issue.

    My thoughts on this direction for this plugin:

    1. About that whole list thing, that is one major disavantage right now becacuse there is not a general usage selection list for outside plugin apps that data can be sent to and/or read whats been selected. If we could somehow get this in RR it would be awesome. All the current lists are directly tied to something and trying to temporally use one just for one screen looses whatever that list had in it for whatever its purpose was.

    2. One thing about having a db for all music usually requires one to do an initial db buildup/import of their music collection. Way back when I tried FP, you had to go and let it build it and that would take some time and I think at the time every time you added music you had to rebuild it in order to listen to the newly added titles.

    3. Building/importing song data into the database would be kinda hard. The way I currently do it, is to allow RR to provide the extra info via the taglabels. The only easy way off the top of my head would be to have users add all their music to the WA db and then see if I could then prase tru it to transfer that data into the RR song db as WA can read many diff types of tags. Once you have all the data in the db, it then really doesn't matter what kinda filetype it is.

    Thats it for the moment...getting tired. Will post some more latter today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWPB View Post
    I agree with enforcer above 100%..

    Holy shlt John loves notepad too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue ZX3 View Post

    2. One thing about having a db for all music usually requires one to do an initial db buildup/import of their music collection. Way back when I tried FP, you had to go and let it build it and that would take some time and I think at the time every time you added music you had to rebuild it in order to listen to the newly added titles.
    I love the full database idea. I was a Centrafuse user before RR and my assessment is that CF has only two advantages over RR: 1. The database feature allows one to search music with extreme efficiency and accuracy, and 2. CF does a much better job of allowing one to browse album covers.

    Item 1 has been largely solved by JohnWPB with the new search feature. It works great. Would a full database approach in RR be somewhat better? Yes. You're right that we would have to rebuild the database when we add music, but currently we need to rebuild the Winamp library whenever we add music, which takes me about 15 minutes with my large music collection. It's really a small price to pay given the flexibility it provides.

    As for item 2, I thought Coverflow was going to be the answer. It looks like that project is largely dead, however. I don't know how Veetid was able to make the album art browsing work so well in CF. Perhaps that's database related as well?

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    Actually, the initial build of the library takes around 15 minutes for my 28,000 MP3's. If I add a few albums, it takes just around 1 minute to re-catalog them (Just tested it ant it took 52 seconds), as it skips over existing music in your library already.

    You can also set up a "watch folder" and it will add stuff automatically when you add music to to the folder.
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