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Thread: Bluetooth Phone Pluggin ... Does one exist

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    Unhappy Bluetooth Phone Pluggin ... Does one exist

    Yes I searched but could not find anything...
    Does anyone know of a such thing for RR. Centrafuse has a pretty awsome setup for bluetooth phones. I cant seem to find a Phone pluggin for RR that doesnt require a Virtual Serial Port created for your blue tooth phone.
    CF seems to discover and connect to my phone automatically when it is in range and has no problems dialing, recieving or displaying phone info (battery power, signal strength or connection to BT).
    How can this be accomplished in RR?
    I have a cheap PPC LG LX165 phone and it doesnt not have a SSP service through bluetooth basically just a head set service.

    Features requested for BT support:
    (1) Configurable while RR is running
    (2) Search for BT device when runnig
    (3) No need for a virtual serial connection
    (4) Make Calls
    (5) Recieve calls
    (6) Display information from phone (battery charge, connection "bars", BT connection status)
    (7) Create a contact list saved in an .ini or .xml on the CARPC
    (8) Work with generic type BT usb adapters
    (9) Voicemail on the PC. It could answer the phone then run through an automated voicemail process and record messages right on your PC. This would allow you to retrieve, delete and save what ever messages you want. Could save in mp3 format as well.
    (10) Call recording. Record a conversation. Many uses for this.
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    There are many options for Bluetooth in RR... FreeFone, RRMobile, PhoneControl.net are the main ones. There's no "built-in" support for phone control in RR because of the widespread difference between phones and the commands that work with them.

    I'm not familiar with how CF does it, but I'm assuming it must work closely with the bluetooth stack (and thus may require a specific bluetooth stack), in order to avoid you from having to configure it (if this is what you said at all). In any case, a lot of phones provide serial connection over bluetooth through dial-up or other profiles (not necessarily SPP).
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    Phone connection via bluetooth is definitely a major weakness of RR, the other probably voice control. I know there are plugins to do these functions, but they are incomplete or have been abandoned.

    Phone Control seemed to be the only one that worked ok for non GSM phones, but is no longer available.

    I rented a Ford Fusion on my last business trip, it took me about 2 minutes to be talking through my phone using SYNC.

    Wish I had the know how to make it happen, but it is becoming a good reason to purchase CF.
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    CF comes packaged with Blue Soliel which im sure it is pretty well integrated with. The features in CF allow you to configure the phone for bluetooth connection from with in CF. It also auto connects when in range. Seems that RR Mobile will only work it you can set up a serial connection and PhoneControl is not much of an option anymore.
    I would love to see better more efficient bluetooth control in RR truly that is what is keeping it as the under dog now.
    Of course CF has a ton of commercial support but I am sure that with the extensive following RR has we can come up with something far superior to what CF has allready.
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    So who's up for this challenge of creating this pluggin. I'd do it but I still have my training wheels on as far as coding goes and this is going to take someone with some skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    CF comes packaged with Blue Soliel which im sure it is pretty well integrated with.
    There you have your answer! If I forced everyone to buy the same specific bluetooth device/adapter and use the same bluetooth stack software to which I would integrate RR into, then I'd be able to make a decent bluetooth interface for phones myself. Still that requires time and money which is something CF gets to have from sales (and from being a software company)...

    The best solution IMHO is to use a OEM bluetooth adapter MEANT for hands-free car kit integration, meaning: Audio playback support from the phone, Voice calls over the car speakers (with noise and echo cancelation) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: phone control with phone-books support -- all done at once by the hardware itself.

    Now, I have just taken a quick look at the bluesoleil site, they have a free SDK which supports most of the basic hands-free functions, except for phonebooks support. But it is possible to get that SDK and make an extension/plugin that would control the BlueSoleil device to perform pretty much the same things CF does: Answer/Reject Calls, get operator name, caller id, phone model, signal, battery charge then and use the PC to route the audio. The catch is: it will very likely ONLY WORK WITH BLUESOLEIL dongles which requires their bluetooth stack software (which may not be desirable in many cases).

    I myself have one their first model dongles in my CarPC, and hated their software, ended up doing all kinds of weird things just to get a different bluetooth stack installed... then all my other computers are laptops with bluetooth already integrated, so it would make a mess to try to load a second dongle with yet another bluetooth stack onto them (not even sure that would work).

    Bottom line is: If you're just looking for a simple and cheap bluetooth interface, it is possible (and acceptable) to build a plugin to the bluesoleil dongle for this purpose. The only things you'd need are the bluesoleil SDK along with the dongle/software installed, then you can build a interface to RR around it. But if you're looking for something cleaner that requires no software ans is independent of what you already have installed, plus supports phonebooks, then the best solution is to pick from one of the hundreds of OEM bluetooth devices available and build an interface around it (mostly in the same way someone would do for the bluesoleil dongle). This may be a simple choice for someone who already owns a bluesoleil device, but for those still choosing, it would make more sense to pick a more complete product -- and even then, you'd be likely forcing people to buy this specific product (since the plugin would only work with that specific device).

    This kind of thing tends to happen in one of two ways:

    1-Some users gets together, choose a device, get's donations or uses own personal time/money to developing an interface (which is what happens most of the time when there's enough interest), and make it available as an option. The Bluesoleil could be an option but may not be the chosen option by the users building the interface (I personally would not choose something without phone-books support).

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    2-Someone/Some Company wants to sell something (device/software) and will build the interface and provide support for it along with the device. Since it's someone's investment, they'd get to choose what features to provide/support (which could be worse for the user), but then again it would be just one more option (PhoneControl was an example of this method).
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    David and the CF guys had to buy a license to distribute there bluetooth phone function. In order for it to be as fully fledged as CF or sync you'll have to pay the licensing fees they paid.
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    Keeping BT support limited to a bluesoleil device doesnt seem like much of a problem. Seems like alot of them are supported by BS. It would be easy enough to tell people when they are looking to pick the right one. Kind of like with the HD radio or XM interface. You need specific hardware for that as well.
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    Its actually not limited to a specific BT dongle, you just have to make sure its compatiable. I use a Kesington dongle. The BT stack does replace windows BT stack. From what I hear the BT stack windows has is cr@ppy.
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    I use a generic ebay dongle and it works great with BS, so what is it going to take to get the ball rolling on this. I am willing to invest if a there is a good plan in place.
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