DFX5 [Released 09/29/10]

**kbreeden** · 10-04-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tidder

And it seems that in typing that response, you are doing the same thing.

Ah, no. My post is an attempt to help prevent hundreds of unnecessary posts in the months ahead.

**kbreeden** · 10-04-2010, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tidder

kbreeden, you have been around long enough that you should know about this. Long time RR users are used to not having any type of help file. It's still a really new thing (and a great freakin idea!) that's taken a while to catch on.

Which is exactly why I'm making a big deal out of it here. I have also recommended to John that he put a clear reference to it in the beginning of the thread.

**themlruts** · 10-04-2010, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by jeffreyd_tx

Recommendation: Post help file as a separate d/l. I only say this because I ONLY have skin installed in my car and I can't read it on my screen while I am driving

A separate link would be cool.

I did not mean to start ruckus about the video. I am fully aware that the video is illegal to the driver while moving. Belive me i have a couple pioneer avic series i know all about the hacks. I am talking about this skin and rr. I will leave it alone and do my own reasearch on this. i dont want to cause any problems.
Thanks
Mods Del my first post please

**carputer1** · 10-04-2010, 01:16 PM

well so far this thread is mostly unnecessary post , i did'nt metion the plugin by name as i agree that this is necessary, plugin to have , as in most countrys its illegal to have video playing at the drive, hence the hint of direction to look at ,,,,,

its actually apart of the DFX install , the plugin is , not RR itself , but i do feel this should be in RR core ,

**Tidder** · 10-04-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by carputer1

its actually apart of the DFX install , the plugin is , not RR itself , but i do feel this should be in RR core ,

Ahh, that's good to know. I wasn't sure where it was coming from as I have a default install with DFX on top, just testing things.

I see no reason that it cannot be discussed as there is quite a group that use video while the vehicle is in motion, not necessarily in view of the driver. Maybe another mod will weigh in here, but I feel it's perfectly legal discussion.

**locs4dayz** · 10-04-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tidder

Ahh, that's good to know. I wasn't sure where it was coming from as I have a default install with DFX on top, just testing things.

I see no reason that it cannot be discussed as there is quite a group that use video while the vehicle is in motion, not necessarily in view of the driver. Maybe another mod will weigh in here, but I feel it's perfectly legal discussion.

Glad to hear that. I actually never have video or movies playing in my car front or back unless there is a passenger sitting there. Comes in handy when traveling with the kids in the car(and my teenage daughter doesn't do the backseat thing unless another grownup is in the car).

**kbreeden** · 10-04-2010, 01:46 PM

This should not have turned into a discussion about the legality or not of having video in a moving car, but since we're here some background is probably helpful. In most states, if not all, it is illegal to watch video if it's in the view of the driver while the car is moving. In fact, many states, like Virginia, make it illegal to even have a video screen in the car which is within the driver's view unless it has navigation functionality, in which case it's not illegal to have the screen but it is illegal to watch it for anything other than nav.

Originally, when DFX came out it had no video lockout. John thought that was a bad idea from a liability standpoint, so he eventually included the video lockout code. He had the video lockout enabled by default, but included instructions in the help file on how to disable it. That way, if someone was using video on a screen not in the view of the driver, which does happen, they could disable it. I believe this is the correct approach to the issue and protects the developer from any liability that might be asserted if an injured party tried to sue the developer for an accident allegedly caused by watching video while driving. I believe developer liability would be a long shot even without the video lockout, but it's easy enough to include it so it makes sense to build it in as an extra layer of protection. (Yes, I am a lawyer.)

I agree that it would be a good idea to include video lockout in the default RR install so that it is available for all skins, though I have no idea how hard it would be to do that. In my opinion, it should be enabled by default, but should include instructions for disabling.

**Tidder** · 10-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Well, just to add some clarity here, when I speak in terms of "legal" I mean that it's well within the guidelines of the forum here to talk about it, since I'm a mod and need to watch out for these things. I have no idea about worldly legality.

**locs4dayz** · 10-04-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by kbreeden

This should not have turned into a discussion about the legality or not of having video in a moving car, but since we're here some background is probably helpful. In most states, if not all, it is illegal to watch video if it's in the view of the driver while the car is moving. In fact, many states, like Virginia, make it illegal to even have a video screen in the car which is within the driver's view unless it has navigation functionality, in which case it's not illegal to have the screen but it is illegal to watch it for anything other than nav.

Originally, when DFX came out it had no video lockout. John thought that was a bad idea from a liability standpoint, so he eventually included the video lockout code. He had the video lockout enabled by default, but included instructions in the help file on how to disable it. That way, if someone was using video on a screen not in the view of the driver, which does happen, they could disable it. I believe this is the correct approach to the issue and protects the developer from any liability that might be asserted if an injured party tried to sue the developer for an accident allegedly caused by watching video while driving. I believe developer liability would be a long shot even without the video lockout, but it's easy enough to include it so it makes sense to build it in as an extra layer of protection. (Yes, I am a lawyer.)

I agree that it would be a good idea to include video lockout in the default RR install so that it is available for all skins, though I have no idea how hard it would be to do that. In my opinion, it should be enabled by default, but should include instructions for disabling.

If it is enabled by default, then I guess you have to have your PC hooked up to the parking brake sensor for it to work then, cause I can drive and view movies and video in my car and I never had to disable anything on my PC. Most everything worked out the box for me once I set up my menu choices( I like the way it greets me and reminds me to buckle up even though for me its been a habit to do so for years, but passengers be forgetting...lol).

**treetop777** · 10-04-2010, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by locs4dayz

If it is enabled by default, then I guess you have to have your PC hooked up to the parking brake sensor for it to work then, cause I can drive and view movies and video in my car and I never had to disable anything on my PC. Most everything worked out the box for me once I set up my menu choices( I like the way it greets me and reminds me to buckle up even though for me its been a habit to do so for years, but passengers be forgetting...lol).

It picks-up that you are moving via GPS.