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    John, if you want compensation for your hardwork, then get a job that will pay you for doing it or do your skins for a frontend that charges for the main product and then charge for those skins.

    If you're doing this as a hobby then write your time off as a cost of doing something you enjoy.

    If and When RR comes out with a pay version then charging for skins and plugins to work on that would then be OK and in fact that is one of the criteria as far as my work in concerned.

    Also bear in mind, a lot of what makes your skin (and others) great is the plugins that work within it. So I hope that the plugin authors whose work you have included with your skin will also reap the rewards from the donations from your splash screen extortion.

    And before you start on about my google ads clicking, the clicking of my ads does not entail a cost to the user and helps pay for the hosting of the skins, plugins and my website which some of the plugins use (ie the displaying in google maps the location of trafficcams for one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enforcer View Post
    Also bear in mind, a lot of what makes your skin (and others) great is the plugins that work within it. So I hope that the plugin authors whose work you have included with your skin will also reap the rewards from the donations from your splash screen extortion.
    Gotta go with a +1 on this comment. And +1 to Elcamino for taking a stand against it.

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    E: I totally understand where you are coming from, and respect your opinion, I really do. I thought long and hard on how to do this, and make the skin 100% free for use. Even though it was only 1 or 2 people that were against charging outright from the skin when I asked in the DFX4 thread a few months ago. I listened to those 2 out of 100 people that voiced their opinions, and thus am not charging for the skin.

    Your idea of "Extortion" is my idea of a standard splash screen you see on just about any and all free / donation software. It is also a way to give something to the users that did make a donation as a thank you.

    I will only bring this up one last time, to try to let you see it from a different perspective:
    In your signature:
    "Due to a lack of clicking of the google ads on my site by downloaders updates to skins and plugins will be delayed"

    This basically states that if people start clickin on the ad's, you will start working on the code again. That translates in only one way, you are expecting something for your work. Period, there is no other way to interpret that statement. Reguardless if the money is coming out of the users pockets, or Google's (Againts their terms of use policy by the way) you are expecting something for your work to continue, plain and simple, no matter how you look at it.


    Bringing this up over and over and over again, is not going to solve anything. It is done, and I am moving forward. As I said I do respect your opinion, but please lets stop bringing this up over and over again..... please.
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    Button 1, which is Music by default on first install, does not seem to change when you use the press and hold feature to change its application. The button reads what it is changed to but it always opens the music choice window.
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    Yikes, that bug has slipped through months of beta testing, and 3 Release candidates! LOL, it will be fixed here in the next release this evening.
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    Is it possible to offer an update package instead of a complete install? I have already done several personal mods and will continue to do so. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWPB View Post
    E: I totally understand where you are coming from, and respect your opinion, I really do. I thought long and hard on how to do this, and make the skin 100% free for use. Even though it was only 1 or 2 people that were against charging outright from the skin when I asked in the DFX4 thread a few months ago. I listened to those 2 out of 100 people that voiced their opinions, and thus am not charging for the skin.

    Your idea of "Extortion" is my idea of a standard splash screen you see on just about any and all free / donation software. It is also a way to give something to the users that did make a donation as a thank you.

    I will only bring this up one last time, to try to let you see it from a different perspective:
    In your signature:
    "Due to a lack of clicking of the google ads on my site by downloaders updates to skins and plugins will be delayed"

    This basically states that if people start clickin on the ad's, you will start working on the code again. That translates in only one way, you are expecting something for your work. Period, there is no other way to interpret that statement. Reguardless if the money is coming out of the users pockets, or Google's (Againts their terms of use policy by the way) you are expecting something for your work to continue, plain and simple, no matter how you look at it.


    Bringing this up over and over and over again, is not going to solve anything. It is done, and I am moving forward. As I said I do respect your opinion, but please lets stop bringing this up over and over again..... please.


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    John could you tell me your google earth version? I see you mention google earth in the FAQ, and I donīt know if you overlook my question because of the faq...
    Anyway, as I told, it works for me, just the split screen and zoon in and out doesnīt... so I think that could be a problem with my release (5.2.1.1588)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enforcer View Post
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    Way to ruin all the fun...just take it to a new thread.

    Theres a very valid point here-one which I think most users overlook.... even with a nice sized donation button on your download page 99% of users wont take the time to make a donation. For those of us that put thousands of hours into these projects, thats a fraction of a cent per hour-not really a lot of motivation when users jump in the thread and say "please add feature x...i know im the only one that will use it but pretty please". Unlike most other places on the net, devs on these forums will usually try to help that user, without any expectation of compensation. I think there should be a giant banner on the appstore download page that says "HEY if you like this throw some money towards the developer-it will only take a minute", maybe even have special badges on the forums for people who donate "I don't leech off the work of others" (but on a trophy).


    now that said-I have only this to say:
    while enforcer brings up a valid point here-you have ZERO credibility. Your plugins contain tracking spyware with no notification to end users that you do this. You require registration on your website just for the privilege of downloading a single plugin...and then (as pointed out above) in direct violation of googles TOS you tell users to click ads on your site to generate revenue for you. For the record, the definition of extortion is a statement like "Due to a lack of clicking of the google ads on my site by downloaders updates to skins and plugins will be delayed". Are you delusional?

    JohnWPB you clearly have put a lot of hard work into this, and i can understand the frustration about not receiving a lot of compensation for your work. I think the nag screen is overkill but certainly within your right. The thing I will complain about, and its been said already I know, is how much of the donations you get will go to the people whos hard work your are benefiting from? Pretty much the only significant feature I saw listed was rrvoice-what percentage of donations does jebus get? how about all the other plugin developers whose work you take advantage of? or the devs that work on rr? it may be a commercial application but alot of the work on it is done without compensation-and i would even bet far more hours are put into the plugins and rr itself then all 5 iterations of your skin.... just throwing that out there.

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    Sorry no one else found this funny... Anyone have a sense of humor?

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