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    Is it possible to take out the text in the highlighted red box(bottom picture) and put it in a our own image?



    Any help or where I can get more information would be appreciated. Thanks

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    ? I don't really get what you mean. You have 2 red boxes in one window, so I don't think you can do exactly what you want. All Sb can do is crop a window and put a graphic over it.

    You could crop that down to just the two boxes and then put a graphic around them with like a keyboard filling the space in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    ? I don't really get what you mean. You have 2 red boxes in one window, so I don't think you can do exactly what you want. All Sb can do is crop a window and put a graphic over it.

    You could crop that down to just the two boxes and then put a graphic around them with like a keyboard filling the space in the middle.
    Yes yes thats what I want to do, please teach me.

    I have another question that I have asked already, sorry if I did not make it very clear before.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    If you want an image to be in the middle, just leave top-left-bottom-right boarders blank. It will auto center.
    My question is as below:

    Lets say in menu_left.ini file and if the values for:

    TopBorder=
    LeftBorder=
    RightBorder=
    BottomBorder=

    are blank, then the Menu_Left.png will be positioned at the middle right? Correct me if I am wrong.

    For an action button ex. [Home], these values:

    Top=
    Bottom=
    Left=
    Right=

    will determine the area that we click or touch on the screen right? If I change the image, how do I find the Top, Bottom, Left and Right values for the new image that I have?

    Basically I don know how to define the click area of a button for a new image.

    Sorry if its a dumb question. Thanks for the help.

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    Just use nudge values to crop the window, then just load a PNG over the whole thing and make transparent cut-outs where the graphic would overlay those 2 boxes.

    The button hot-spot location is relative to the graphic co-ordinates, not the screen co-ordinates.

    I hope that all makes sense now. Feel free to keep asking questions if you still don't get it. I'm happy to try and help. The best way to learn it may be just to keep trying things and seeing what they do though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    The best way to learn it may be just to keep trying things and seeing what they do though.
    Totally agree....

    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    The button hot-spot location is relative to the graphic co-ordinates, not the screen co-ordinates.
    Got it.


    I have some more questions.

    1. How do we find the value for

    WindowClass
    WindowTitle

    for a paticular window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo1 View Post
    Inside SKINbedder\nRoute folder I found NRMap then NRMap.ini
    I have tried to change the value from 0 to 100 but nothing seems to happen. I used SB V3 and a skin for nRoute found in the skin section. Anyway to get a nRoute skin that is not semi transparent, without the map not updated issue?
    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    I have no clue why changing:

    [Nudge]
    Bottom=100

    doesn't do anything. If the map is being embedded that should definatly do something.

    As for the graphics... you easily can make your own. Just change the .png files. If you don't want to update all of the co-ordinates in the ini files, then make sure your new graphics are the same dimention with the buttons in the same place.
    I tried to play around again with nudge value in NRMAP.ini but the results are the same. Then I try NRGPS and it make some differences. However I still don't really understand how nudge work. I know that we can crop using nudge but how to determine the values of nudge up,left,right and down? These are some of the things that I have try.

    Original image:



    After changing nudge values as below while maintaining Width and Height

    Width=800
    Height=480
    TopBorder=
    LeftBorder=
    RightBorder=
    BottomBorder=
    NudgeUp=300
    NudgeLeft=15
    NudgeRight=500
    NudgeDown=500

    I get this:



    then change:

    Width=400
    Height=200
    TopBorder=
    LeftBorder=
    RightBorder=
    BottomBorder=
    NudgeUp=300
    NudgeLeft=15
    NudgeRight=500
    NudgeDown=500

    with nudge values unchanged, I get this image:



    Only the middle portion is displayed. From this I think the width and height value can determine the size of the croped but if I want to crop a particular space, how do I determine the nudge values? Can use coordinates or try and error?

    Then I changed TopBorder=10 and LeftBorder= 10 while maintaining other, I get below image:



    The borders changes the positions.

    The hardest part to understand is nudge.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    Just use nudge values to crop the window, then just load a PNG over the whole thing and make transparent cut-outs where the graphic would overlay those 2 boxes.
    Can maybe show me an example of how to identify the nudge value for a particular window that I want to crop and what command to use to make transparent cut-outs? Please.

    I also tried putting negative values as below for nudge.

    Width=800
    Height=480
    TopBorder=100
    LeftBorder=100
    RightBorder=
    BottomBorder=
    NudgeUp=-10
    NudgeLeft=-100
    NudgeRight=-400
    NudgeDown=-400

    and I get image as below, am I in the correct path?



    Let say if I want to crop the name field for the image shown below, what would be the nudge values? and the way to make transparents cut-outs?



    Seems like way too much to ask for, any help would be appreciated. I'll try to figure out as much as I can.

    Again many many thanks RPM VR4. Thanks

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    1) I use the Auto-It window tool. You could also just leave class blank and just use title (whatever is on the task-bar)

    2) All of your pictures show what I would expect. Make PNG's with transparent cut-outs using PhotoShop (See GE-Nexus thread for sample PNG with cut-outs). Choose coordinate values using photoshop to count the pixels (and via trial & error). Here is how the coordinates work:

    The window you embed is placed in a "WindowContainer".

    The position as size of the container are determined by width, height, and the 4 boarders. Left=50 will make it so the window starts 50 pixels from the left side of the skinbedder window. This is useful if you want to make a left button bar that is 50 pixels wide. That button bar would have Left=0 for it's boarder. To make the window stretch to the other side, set Right=0. If you wanted a 50-pixel right button bar too, then set Right=50. You could also leave Right blank and specify a Width instead. This would only make a difference when re-sizing the skinbedder window at run-time (like if your front-end has a full-screen and a windowed mode). All the same goes for top, bottom, and height as well.

    Now on to the Nudge values... Think of the window container above as a hole in SKINbedder thourgh which you can see the embedded window. If you set all the nudge values to 0, then you can see the entire embedded window as it is aligned perfectly with the window container. However, if you set nudge Up=50, then the window will begin 50 pixels above the window container. You will still only see the part of the window behind the window container though, so effectivly you have made the embedded window 50pixels taller, but then cropped off that top 50 pixels.

    Get it now? If not keep asking questions and I will try to help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    1) I use the Auto-It window tool. You could also just leave class blank and just use title (whatever is on the task-bar)
    Tried using the Auto-It window tool, works.

    I have been trying again for the nudge part and after lots and lots of try and error, I finally got something like this:



    Questions
    1. Now I could just load an image with a blank rectangle box in the part where I want to display what I have just crop right?

    2. Could I change the font type and size for the word Malsing v3.61 or if I have crop a prompt box and would like to change the font for the text that I type into the prompt box. Are we able to do that?

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    Nope. Sb just crops/embedds and places PNG files over (with button hot-spots). No way to change a programs fonts or anything like that that I know of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    The only reason to use the SKINing features of Sb in RR is if you need buttons that overlap the embedded app.
    Can I overlap flash movie?

    Quote Originally Posted by RPM_VR4 View Post
    You have to use Sb to crop and to embed multiple windows though.
    I don't understand multiple windows? Is it meaning a few different windows in nRoute for example?

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    1) I would think so. You probably can't overlap video's (in overlay, maybe VMR9 would work), but you should be able to overlap anything else. It's just not that cool to overlap unless I could get semi-transparency per-pixel-alpha-blending working better.

    2) Sure, if nRoute has sub-menus for options or something (or to embed an open dialog like that example I showed you earlier). You can also embed multiple apps like I do with my GooPs/Google Earth skins (GE-Nexus & GE-Freedom).

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