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    SD beats everything. So there. danielkh's Avatar
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    1. Get rid of popup windows. One thing I hate when getting in my car is popup windows. Works fine on a desktop, but not in the car (Vid 1)

    2. Buttons on top of buttons? Whats that about? (Vid 2)

    Looks promising other than that. Would like to see more though.

    Would love to see it customized, set up, then have an image put on a bootable DVD. Use that as your front end, then it reads media and caches everything on a harddrive.
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    Wow, I really set off an argument there!

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    Want the real "killer" app from a "driver only" point of view?

    1. Fast bootup. Your idea of no real frontend is a good one. Actually, I would like to see no OS, just boot right into the car interface. But since the OS might be needed for external apps, the perfect solution would be the OS appears to be embedded in the FE and not the other way around. (button selectable OS home screen)

    2. Similar to Streetdeck interface. Large buttons filling the screen. No garbage (logos, popups, etc). From a pure user standpoint, I want OEM looking. That is why SD has the following it does and is the only FE being looked at by major players.

    3. Roadrunners weather plugin. As a constant traveler the one thing I always loved about roadrunner was the radar imaging pages. Now, mix that with the SD moving gps weather plug-in......Absolutely perfect.

    4. CF or RR music selection interface. Scrolling selection is great, however, I would want SD's "controls on demand". I don't need ff, pause, play, etc. always on the screen. Play by default is perfect.

    5. SD/RR 3D navigation interface. I don't care who's navigation is used, but I want the 3D mapping capabilities. I want to be able to identify location by surroundings. After having that for awhile, I won't do without it.

    6. DVD/Video interface.....whatever works. I don't use it that much. Can see where it is needed, but not sure who's is best.

    7. SD Satellite radio interface. showing the list of stations and what is playing, along with the filtering capabilities, it's my favorite. Not sure what the other guys have.

    8. Radio interface. Don't have it, so don't know. Did see the SD screens popup in between updates and I love the scrolling of it. But it's the only one I know.

    9. SD visualization background. No garbage, just a flowing moving background with bigt buttons. SD is only one I know that has this, and once everything is set the way I like it, even the subdued streetdeck logo in the corner will be removed. I paid for the software, I don't need an advertisement. And yes, this is the one thing, above all others, that makes me a loyal StreetDeck customer. The other is 3D navigation, but RR has that.

    10. Easily programmable button commands (SD and CF). With the market growing, there is no doubt other control methods will come out, like Imon Ultrabay, and a host of IR remote selections. Being able to set commands with keystrokes is imperative.

    11. Easily embedded external programs (SD and RR). This is where I think Linux is going to fail. Programs like slingplayer, various tv tuners, games for the kids in the back seat, all windows based. Linux might work, but the programs need to be embedded in the front end so it can react appropriately.

    12. Bluetooth phone. I list this down here because I use a Motorola IHF1000 that pretty much beats any possible computer program out there, currently or in the future. Of course it's $300 by itself, so yeah, software support is important.

    13. Embedded browser with oversized, transparent keyboard. CF and RR have the embedded browser, not sure about the oversized transparent keyboard.

    14. True dial like OBDII interface. I know some people in RR were working on this, but I haven't seen it come to fruition. The 2 item selectable graph of SD really sucks. I want programmable guages that can be up, like 6-9 to a page.

    15. Movie finder, gas finder, Gas price, restaurant finder, all of these are wonderful (SD). Yahoo news feed is nice, when stopped for a break, it's nice to read the news. I'm sure the others have some nice fun additional features too (add-ins).

    I'm sure there are more, but just in short order, from a "driver only" standpoint, these are the major things to make a "killer" front end. Oh yeah, multiple monitor support, but I assumed that was a given. Now, multiple monitor control! Is that how multiple monitor support is now? I don't have it, so I don't know if you can run different modules on different screens.
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    It sounds like what you really want are some streetdeck plugins that give you the few features you want that SD does not provide. I don't use Streetdeck, but I remember there being some sort of SDK built into it (installed the trial a long long time ago). Have you ever thought about cooking up some SD plugins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeejolts View Post
    It sounds like what you really want are some streetdeck plugins that give you the few features you want that SD does not provide. I don't use Streetdeck, but I remember there being some sort of SDK built into it (installed the trial a long long time ago). Have you ever thought about cooking up some SD plugins?
    lol......ya think?

    I don't do plug-ins. Would rather pay someone else to do it. That's why I prefaced the post with "from a pure driver only standpoint".

    "Writing plug-ins, killer FE doth not make"

    Again, this guy wants to make the perfect, ready made, out of the box solution. That doesn't include the words "plug-in writing software included".
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    lol......ya think?

    I don't do plug-ins. Would rather pay someone else to do it. That's why I prefaced the post with "from a pure driver only standpoint".
    Heh, sounds like I need to learn a little .NET and hit you up for $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeejolts View Post
    Heh, sounds like I need to learn a little .NET and hit you up for $$$
    Now THERE'S the right attitude!! lol

    But remember, it must work flawlessly.
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    Nice vids on the FE. danielkh summed it up perfectly. Up to 3 things running simultaneously, dvd rear, game 3rd row, music front seats, wireless headphone support, simpler cd burning than the other front ends with easier quality/bit rate adjustments. Zune/Ipod support, including touchscreen support to those devices. Include satellite imagery in the GPS, or an easy way to download and integrate the highest res images possible for places that will not have internet connectivity.

    Didn't mean to sound like a fight, just playing with the "living at home" stuff. Some people get way to sensitive, or I forgot to turn on my sarcasm filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dittohead View Post
    Nice vids on the FE. danielkh summed it up perfectly. Up to 3 things running simultaneously, dvd rear, game 3rd row, music front seats, wireless headphone support, simpler cd burning than the other front ends with easier quality/bit rate adjustments. Zune/Ipod support, including touchscreen support to those devices. Include satellite imagery in the GPS, or an easy way to download and integrate the highest res images possible for places that will not have internet connectivity.

    Didn't mean to sound like a fight, just playing with the "living at home" stuff. Some people get way to sensitive, or I forgot to turn on my sarcasm filter.
    Wow! Excellent additions! Someone should start a thread, rather than why so many frontends, it should be "The Perfect Frontend". And it can only be a list, no one allowed to say anything like "well, then, build it" and absolutely no "(insert FE name here) has features A, B, D, F, and Y".

    Would never think of "third row seating" when I drive a care that doesn't even have a back seat.
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    From a developer's perspective, the navigation is the biggest headache. Why? Because you're always dependent upon someone else's work. Of course, you could write your own mapping app, but there are whole companies dedicated to that one piece of the pie. It takes a long time (read: money), requires significant licensing (read: more money), and takes the developer away from the primary goal of building a great front end.

    A potential way around this headache is to use internet navigation / routing. IMO, that is really where the GPS part is heading (years from now). Unfortunately, not that many people have internet in their car right now, which leads us right back to using someone else's mapping SDK and dealing with the headaches and problems that go along with that. It sucks, really.

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