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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    If we're going by the way you did your "mark" then SFiorito's resume time is 15 seconds since you don't have an ignition lag in your time and he does. (power up at 5 secs into the vid, playing music 20 secs into the vid = 15 seconds total)

    Is this a real Challenge or a "I'm the Challenger so I make the rules" challenge?
    Well 16 seconds but yea true (assuming thats only PSU delay and not MB post lag).

    Heres a vid with win7 on a 7200rpm drive...not an ssd.

    same thing-15 second resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    If we're going by the way you did your "mark" then SFiorito's resume time is 15 seconds since you don't have an ignition lag in your time and he does. (power up at 5 secs into the vid, playing music 20 secs into the vid = 15 seconds total)

    Is this a real Challenge or a "I'm the Challenger so I make the rules" challenge?
    Okay, I saw him post 20 so I thought that was his total time. Okay 15-16 seconds still makes him the fastest resume time. EDIT, now tied with justchat.
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    Got 14 by cutting the hib file in half. Still haven't gotten the embedded install working 100% but thats next.

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    I think we all can agree that the OSes we're using (Win7, WinEmb, & Linux) ALL perform very well. The critical pieces are the software (outside the OS) that we're using. For instance: Centrafuse relies on System.Web namespace in .NET. That means I had to install full .NET 2.0 instead of one of the client runtimes which have a smaller foot print. Not to pick on CF, but why is a front end referencing a server-side namespace? Other software, such as BlueSoleil, may in turn have a lot of other dependencies so the system keeps bloating, making configuration and tuning more problematic. The design and implementation of carpc software needs to really strive to be leaner and focused on performance from the start to help those of us looking to push the envelope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFiorito View Post
    I think we all can agree that the OSes we're using (Win7, WinEmb, & Linux) ALL perform very well. The critical pieces are the software (outside the OS) that we're using. For instance: Centrafuse relies on System.Web namespace in .NET. That means I had to install full .NET 2.0 instead of one of the client runtimes which have a smaller foot print. Not to pick on CF, but why is a front end referencing a server-side namespace? Other software, such as BlueSoleil, may in turn have a lot of other dependencies so the system keeps bloating, making configuration and tuning more problematic. The design and implementation of carpc software needs to really strive to be leaner and focused on performance from the start to help those of us looking to push the envelope.
    System.Web probably allows CF to make web service calls. idk if it actually comes with any plugins that need this. CF's problems seem to go much deeper than just referencing resources it doesn't use. But i better shut up before anyone accuses me of being a CF hater or something :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFiorito View Post
    I think we all can agree that the OSes we're using (Win7, WinEmb, & Linux) ALL perform very well. The critical pieces are the software (outside the OS) that we're using. For instance: Centrafuse relies on System.Web namespace in .NET. That means I had to install full .NET 2.0 instead of one of the client runtimes which have a smaller foot print. Not to pick on CF, but why is a front end referencing a server-side namespace? Other software, such as BlueSoleil, may in turn have a lot of other dependencies so the system keeps bloating, making configuration and tuning more problematic. The design and implementation of carpc software needs to really strive to be leaner and focused on performance from the start to help those of us looking to push the envelope.
    Well...the .NET runtime is almost becoming a prerequisite for anything aftermarket these days. Hell, to install the ATI Catalyst Control Center (the main console for all ATI graphics), you need the .NET framework. And even though the redistributable size for the newest framework version (3.5 SP1) is almost 200MB, the installed size under 60MB. (The reason the redistributable for 3.5 is so damn big is because it includes, 2.0, 3.0, x86, x64, ia64 etc etc, all in one package. But a developer could slice that package down, if the intent is only to support certain platforms/versions).

    I think MS just needs to push out the framework as a Windows (required) update. That way developers don't have to worry about packaging it with their own apps.

    Now, whether you should or shouldn't actually develop on the framework, is a complex issue. You could ditch the framework and write everything as native C++ code, but guess how long it'd take to write anything??

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    .NET isn't the problem. And they shouldn't require System.Web for any webservice calls either, only System.Web.Services (for 2.0). Ideally, it should only need 2.0 client runtime. This is the exact reason MS created the client runtimes, to decrease footprint and dependencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapone View Post
    Now, whether you should or shouldn't actually develop on the framework, is a complex issue. You could ditch the framework and write everything as native C++ code, but guess how long it'd take to write anything??
    you've obviously never written anything using Qt. To be honest, It takes me about the same amount of time to push an application out in Qt as it does to write one in C# or managed c++. No ugly native coding required, and the core libraries are around 5 megs in size, usually stored in a folder local to the application.


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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    you've obviously never written anything using Qt. To be honest, It takes me about the same amount of time to push an application out in Qt as it does to write one in C# or managed c++. No ugly native coding required, and the core libraries are around 5 megs in size, usually stored in a folder local to the application.


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    so very true
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