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    Have fun trying to get media center IPC to work reliably. I have an old contract that prevents me from helping out with these types of projects but I will say you picked a very difficult platform. WMC is designed from the ground up as a media center, once you start digging into the sdk you'll realize how brutal that can be for a carPC FE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapone View Post
    Valid points. As I said, it was never for that as such. Some of the things CAN be customized though.

    The lil "chevrons" (as MS calls them) that allow up/down/left/right movement during the "2 foot mode" i.e. not using a remote, but using a mouse or touchscreen...can be made visible all the time. Simple registry change.
    I did a search, but I've found no info on how to do this registry mod. Can you tell me how you did it? That would help A LOT, the chevrons, as you said, are not that small.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I did a search, but I've found no info on how to do this registry mod. Can you tell me how you did it? That would help A LOT, the chevrons, as you said, are not that small.

    Thanks!
    http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archi...29/730866.aspx

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    That's it, Thanks!!! (Just added to your rep, FWIW)

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    Have fun trying to get media center IPC to work reliably. I have an old contract that prevents me from helping out with these types of projects but I will say you picked a very difficult platform. WMC is designed from the ground up as a media center, once you start digging into the sdk you'll realize how brutal that can be for a carPC FE.
    I certainly agree with that. Media Center and MCML is a ****** to work with. However, the framework itself is very very robust, and the overlays are second to none. That said, I have been using MC as a home front end since the days of MCE2005, and the Media Center in Windows 7 is WAY more flexible than the older ones, and I'd say the building blocks are there.

    Microsoft of course has no incentive to extend MC for automative use, as they already have a product (Windows Automotive, which powers the Ford Sync and the likes) for that. However, Windows Automotive is for the most part not a DIY option, as most people can't even get it, and it's an embeddable type system.

    I do believe that MC can be "made" to work the way we want, for automotive use, even though the integration may be less than ideal. However, I don't think that's any different from a lot of the integration being done with most of the popular front ends. As Mitch said, it just requires more work than normal.

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    I going to try to run Media Center 7 for a week in the car and see what happens. As I said, I don't use phone or nav since I have the OEM units. My MAIN concern is library management, specially playlist selection and media playing. Reliably. My OBDII stopped working, I think I'm just going to miss G.Earth and Traffic. My Minicam Starts with windows, so no problem there. What else I'm missing? Twitter, all those toys...

    Let's see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapone View Post
    I certainly agree with that. Media Center and MCML is a ****** to work with. However, the framework itself is very very robust, and the overlays are second to none. That said, I have been using MC as a home front end since the days of MCE2005, and the Media Center in Windows 7 is WAY more flexible than the older ones, and I'd say the building blocks are there.
    I use Media Center around the house since XP's MCE days. I have a Vista system that has been doing firewire/HDHomerun recording - with DVRMSTool Commercial skip - for two years with no problems at all. My wife loves it. I'm using My Movies too, it's a great overall experience. No issues playing media - you just have to update firmware/drivers for the HDHomerun/Commercial skip and that's all.

    I wish my carputer was that reliable - and usable. My wife knows everything about the WMC, but the carputer, she is only interested in Media playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    I wish my carputer was that reliable - and usable. My wife knows everything about the WMC, but the carputer, she is only interested in Media playing.
    That's the $64,000 question. As I said, this is the secnd iteration of my CarPC. My current one (that I just pulled out) is based on Windows 7 and MC as a front end, and I have been running it for close to a year. The acid test came when we took a cross country road trip last year. 6000 miles in 2 weeks, with just me and my wife, and my wife operating the AV side, while I drove... Suffice it to say, that we never encountered an issue with a "novice" operating it.

    That's the power of a good front end, I literally gave her a 5 minute primer, showed her how to use the SpaceNavigator, and that was that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapone View Post
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    Microsoft of course has no incentive to extend MC for automative use, as they already have a product (Windows Automotive, which powers the Ford Sync and the likes) for that. However, Windows Automotive is for the most part not a DIY option, as most people can't even get it, and it's an embeddable type system
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    Microsoft Auto is a set of technologies which ride on an existing OS. That OS is typically WinCE 6.0, but it could also be any of the embedded OSs (XP, Win7) or a standard desktop version. Some of the relevent technologies include text to speech, voice recognition, touch and gesture control etc.

    The question I would ask is: Will Microsoft use MC as the foundation of it's automotive media management? It seems like a logical move, and they certainly have the development resources to make it happen. Of course, you would only be able to get it in a Ford

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    Microsoft Auto is a set of technologies which ride on an existing OS. That OS is typically WinCE 6.0, but it could also be any of the embedded OSs (XP, Win7) or a standard desktop version. Some of the relevent technologies include text to speech, voice recognition, touch and gesture control etc.
    Are you sure?

    http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ma.mspx
    and
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Auto
    seem to indicate its tied into the Windows CE core. Any info on systems which use Microsoft Auto on top of another OS?

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