Hardware acceleration

**Crinos** · 02-12-2010, 11:05 AM

MS currently have no plan on integrating Direct2D in Windows Embedded Standard 2011.

But my guesses is that if the demand is up for integrating D2D to Embedded, they probably go for it.

As of 01 July 2009 there where no plans to ship Windows Embedded with Direct2D support.

**SFiorito** · 02-12-2010, 01:19 PM

Win Emb Standard 2011 is binary compatible with Windows 7. Where did you see that they don't plan to include D2D in 2011?

**justchat_1** · 02-12-2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by SFiorito

Win Emb Standard 2011 is binary compatible with Windows 7. Where did you see that they don't plan to include D2D in 2011?

+1
I would think being win7 in component form it would be in there...especially given that it includes the dwm and all the other new graphics layers.

borte:
The problem is d2d isn't just one component its the icing on the win7 cake. Its built on top of the new Desktop Window Manager and requires a windows display driver model compatible driver. Since XP has none of that you would basically need to port all the new functionality of vista/7 over to xp to get it to work-and that certainly isn't going to happen.

**Crinos** · 02-12-2010, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by SFiorito

Win Emb Standard 2011 is binary compatible with Windows 7. Where did you see that they don't plan to include D2D in 2011?

Right about here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/For...d-60e5ad69e877
This is quoted by Lynda Allen, one of the Program Managers of the team responsible for Embedded Standard 2011.

**malcom2073** · 02-12-2010, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Crinos

Right about here: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/For...d-60e5ad69e877
This is quoted by Lynda Allen, one of the Program Managers of the team responsible for Embedded Standard 2011.

That says Windows Embedded 2009, based on WXP won't have the support. 2011 is based on Win7 isn't it, so it's an entirely different animal I would think.

**DaFlav** · 02-12-2010, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Borte

I think dropping WinXP support could throw away a lot of users but still it is a old operating system... So the user group for WinXP should only get smaller and smaller as time passes, but right now I think it's to early...

Too early? I doubt it....

the reason is because two main usergroups will be categorized: one using the new direct2d functionality, and the other one who is still willing to remain with XP (alot of users are satisfied with what they already have, and some wouldn't change anything) and since there is always room for improvement in any department, starting early can be very promising because as interest grows over time, more support and more versatility would spurt...

The advancement in operating systems, hardware and software had to start somewhere, The jump from XP to vista was catastrophic due to the demand in huge power resources, but, here it's not the same, think about it: even an user that possess an EPIA 10000 would just need a PCI graphics card, which is really cheap nowadays (around $25 on Ebay for a Geforce Fx5200 with 128Mb DDR)

There should also be some general performance increase because the weight would be taken off of the CPU's shoulders to be handed to the GPU), and 512Mb of Ram is more than enough for Tiny7

**Crinos** · 02-13-2010, 03:09 AM

*blush*
I didn't see, until now, that this where posted in Standard 2009 section.

Where thrown off by the first post:

"Direct2D which will be available in Windows 7 seems perfect for my embedded application.

Have you any information if/when it will be avaiable in Windows Embedded Standard?"

Because of this, I assumed it where for the new and coming Embedded Standard 2011.

I'm fully aware of that 2011 is Win7 native, been playing around with 2011 for a little time now. Trying to build the perfect image for my Zotac board.

**justchat_1** · 02-13-2010, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Crinos

I'm fully aware of that 2011 is Win7 native, been playing around with 2011 for a little time now. Trying to build the perfect image for my Zotac board.

Any luck? cause i've been playing with it for a few months now and i'm pretty disappointed-i get better boot times using vlite and stripping packages.

**SFiorito** · 02-13-2010, 08:10 AM

I've been running 2011 since September and I've been very happy with it, boot times included. memory usage of the image is much lower of course. and the tools are definitely a much better experience than building XPe images!

I was disappointed though that they didn't include a method of creating custom packages as there was in XPe. I requested it as a feature but doesn't look like it's going to happen. I did manage to package some software in a data image though, to automate as much of software deployment as possible.

I haven't really spent much time optimizing my image config, but I should and then I can share it with the forums.

**Crinos** · 02-13-2010, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by justchat_1

Any luck? cause i've been playing with it for a few months now and i'm pretty disappointed-i get better boot times using vlite and stripping packages.

A standard "thin client" installation takes about 20 seconds on my Zotac board, with a damaged S-ATA 320Gb Seagate drive. (I have two of the same drive, and this one is damaged in some wierd way so it's quite a bit slower than the other identical drive).

I've had some probelms with some of the drivers for the Zotac board, when I where fooling around with the ToolKit and trying to build a custom image.

I'm waiting for a trial copy of Windows Automotion, based on the embedded system, but customized for the Car industry.