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    an atom with android 2.2 would be very nice.

    lots of possibilities.

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    Seeing that android has a ui for car use I don't see what your really wanting. Maybe vlc. It needs a lot better video suport

    Oh and there are already programes and drivers for the wii remote on android.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    as mentioned in other posts, android will need exactly what linuxICE needs, a UI developed for it for the car. ...Which requires developers and 90% of the developers that care about the car platforms are here in this forum writing windows software. And those in this forum that do care and aren't writing windows software would rather write software for an OS that's really Linux and really open source.
    Android/iPhone/WebOS software is pretty car-friendly as-is. I use it while driving over my CarPC all the time for Google Navigation, Pandora, Yelp, etc because it is easier/safer/better to use then Garmin/iGuidance or a WebBrowser embedded in RR/Flux. Android is "really Linux and really open source" (only Market/GMail/GMaps/GTalk are closed apps). There are WAY more developers in the Phone scene then here, and many of them would contribute to CarPC app development (for like... TPMS, Alarm/AC control, ODB, or other car-only software that doesn't already exist for Android [and that most people here don't even have the hardware for anyway]). What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eliofall View Post
    Seeing that android has a ui for car use I don't see what your really wanting.
    Incorrect. Android has a car-friendly *shortcut* UI. The buttons all still take you to the car-UNfriendly regular apps. I use my droid in the car on a daily basis, and it sucks. The car dock UI got a little better with Froyo, but it still sucks. *All* apps need to be redone with car friendly UIs, easy to use no-looking finger swipe shortcuts, etc. It's not a CarPC OS. With the right apps it could be turned into one, but now we're back to square one, any OS can be a CarPC OS with the right apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by InfinitiPC View Post
    There are WAY more developers in the Phone scene then here, and many of them would contribute to CarPC app development (for like... TPMS, Alarm/AC control, ODB, or other car-only software that doesn't already exist for Android [and that most people here don't even have the hardware for anyway]). What are you talking about?
    Do you mean OBD? It's been done, there's actually 2 or 3 different apps out there for the Android platform. Malcom2073 from this very board has written one called OBDroid. As for the rest, with the right developer it's all possible, sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidder View Post
    Incorrect. Android has a car-friendly *shortcut* UI. The buttons all still take you to the car-UNfriendly regular apps. I use my droid in the car on a daily basis, and it sucks. The car dock UI got a little better with Froyo, but it still sucks. *All* apps need to be redone with car friendly UIs, easy to use no-looking finger swipe shortcuts, etc. It's not a CarPC OS. With the right apps it could be turned into one, but now we're back to square one, any OS can be a CarPC OS with the right apps.
    I just don't see how you come to this conclution...

    There are lots of music apps and I think most of them are just as easy to use while driving as most CarPC frontends.

    The YouTube app is way better then the plugin for RR.

    I have not seen a Pandora app for CarPC at all, and I was using it through RR's webbrowser before I realized it was way better to just use the phone and plug its audio in.

    Weather/News app is easy to use in the car. I don't see how RR's weather is any more less distracting or easier to use.

    ...but most of all, Google Maps / Google Navigation is better and easier to use in every way then iGuidance or Garmin.

    What exactly do you think needs to be redone? I've actually been thinking of making my entire carPC just a remote control for my G1 in landscape. I think it would make a much better/safer/easier interface then RR eLite or Centrafuse. I think I'm going to work on that now instead of trying to pull Google Maps/Nav in to Windows or Android in to x86.
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    Well let me list the things that my CarPC does that Droid doesn't...

    1. Speed attenuated volume control
    2. MS Windows app compatibility
    3. Console gaming emulation w/USB xbox controller adapter
    4. *Good* flash support (yes I have flash on froyo, but it blows)
    5. Offline guidance with iGuidance
    6. Fluid integration with my music control

    Android will never be a competitor imo if I have to "switch" apps everytime I want to change a song or pause the music. If I'm in the middle of navigation and I get a phone call or something, I would like to be able to pause my music immediately... not "hold on, let me turn this down".

    To me, the point of putting a CarPC in my car is to not have it function like a PC at all. Every basic control should be at your fingertips at all times. Android doesn't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfinitiPC View Post
    Android/iPhone/WebOS software is pretty car-friendly as-is. I use it while driving over my CarPC all the time for Google Navigation, Pandora, Yelp, etc because it is easier/safer/better to use then Garmin/iGuidance or a WebBrowser embedded in RR/Flux. Android is "really Linux and really open source" (only Market/GMail/GMaps/GTalk are closed apps).
    It's really Linux? why do they have a forked kernel then? Why isn't their code at least merged periodically back to Linus' tree just like all the other 'real' Linux distros?

    The fact that they use their own C runtime makes them binary incompatible with GNU/Linux.

    Google also develops all its code in private and nobody gets a look until they open it.

    Real open source is about transparency, developing out in the open, collaboration and innovation. Google wants to keep all the innovation and collaboration private and then "toss it out in the open" for the birds to feed. Forget about transparency, why do you think all the handset OEMs are shipping products still with 2.1? Because no one has seen 2.2 outside of Google until the day it was opened!

    You are right, once it is out in the open, it's open. Oh, all except the really important apps (Market/GMail/GMaps/GTalk).

    Also, I've never had to "root" any of my Linux machines... ever. Not even my n900 needed "rooting". I install whatever-the-hell app I want on my phone cuz guess what? it's my phone, not verizon's, not att's. It's mine. My own. My precious. Same goes for all my real Linux machines that are really open. I'm going to write an app that downloads the internet and pipes it into /dev/null. Do you really want AT&T to tell you you can't run what you want to run?

    There are WAY more developers in the Phone scene then here, and many of them would contribute to CarPC app development (for like... TPMS, Alarm/AC control, ODB, or other car-only software that doesn't already exist for Android [and that most people here don't even have the hardware for anyway]). What are you talking about?
    I agree, there are lots of crossover between handsets and IVI. But there are gaps that need to be filled. That's why I'm trying to get the meego community working with OpenICE more. Right now, no such strong IVI community focus exists that I've seen outside of these forums in either android or the meego communities. At least the MeeGo group has plans for working on IVI (IVI is one of the many MeeGo target verticals). I don't think Google has a clue what to do about IVI at the moment, let alone anyone in their communities.
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    IMO something that has huge potential is docking an android smartphone with video out. A 7" screen is much easier to use in a car than even 4.3"; the only problem would be lack of external ports and the fact that android is so phone-biased right now support for webcams, controllers, etc. is relatively poor. but as far as navigation apps go I prefer google nav on my phone by far to pretty much anything else out there, and with a little modification android could make an excellent base very soon for less hardcore carpc users. for those who desire another level of flexibility windows will probably dominate for at least several more years

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