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    Quote Originally Posted by Punky View Post
    The OS is only a few weeks old, give it some time and i'm sure it'll get there. The new platform is designed for touch apps, and it'll help bring out a lot more carpc friendly apps soon.
    But resistive single touch is very limited, you'll need capacitive screen to really make it functional.
    I disagree. Windows 8 is a tablet OS, not a car OS. While there may be some overall performance benefits, I don't see how the "Start page" makes it any more friendly for a car environment. In the car, you absolutely need a front-end that gives you access to a variety of information and functions, and you need those applications to have a consistent look, feel and button placement. The only way to achieve this is with a properly skinned front-end like RR or CF (and others).

    While the start page lets you swipe an app to the side and have a small version of it running, the operator might be dealing with several media players. For example, you might have Sirius, digital radio, local AM/FM radio and an MP3 player. Using Windows 8's Metro Start page, you'd have different apps for all of these functions. While this is also true for using a front end, a front end provides skin consistency, control placement consistency and better integration of these applications.

    Controls for station tuning, media skipping and volume need to always be placed in the same location on the screen. I can almost guarantee you that even if MP3 car themselves set out guidelines for the placement of such buttons the developers would stick them wherever they wanted.

    When you want to access these applications you need to return to the start page, close the currently running one, find and launch the new one, swipe it off to the side to run in a smaller mode then re-launch your navigation app. It's a mess.

    There's nothing wrong with this approach for tablet computers, but in a car where you have to worry about driving into things it is absolutely critical that you minimize the number of user inputs needed and complexity of operating the interface.
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    I always boot directly into RR and skin of choice, not the desktop.

    I never see the desktop in W7 or XP, and when I do get W8 I also will be booting directly into RR. Nothing will change there.

    I don't need "Metro", which IMHO is butt ugly compared to a bunch of well design and thought out skins made for RR.

    And as for performance with W8,....... I guess I'll see when I get my copy.

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    Hopefully this isn't revival of a dead thread but I just finished installing a Win8Pro setup in my car. I'll post up build and test results + notes if anyone is interested.

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    I've been running Windows 8 pro myself for a bit now.
    I have not really done anything tweaking or testing as I am more focused on finally getting a 12 inch monitor in my dash.
    My initial impressions is that it works though I wish I could use the 64 bit version to take full advantage of the 8GB of RAM that my motherboard supports.

    One major plus for be is the extremely fast wake up times I now have since installing Windows 8. I no longer have to wait to start playing music etc.
    It is almost instantaneous.
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    I am currently in the process of building a capacitive 7" screen based CAR PC with centrafuse and possibly WIN 8 if I can get everything to work correctly.

    It looks like what we may need is the equivalent of Windows running on Centrafuse. I know it sounds dodgy at first, but hear me out.

    1) Centrafuse with fixed position non-swipe based UI is the default to load.
    2) When users want to access the Start screen function, they can do so with a fixed soft-button on the centrafuse UI, but the entire operation is windowd inside a Centrafuse shell.
    3) user then launches desired application from this start screen.
    4) User has option to return to the main centrafuse screen always.

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    1) Centrafuse with fixed position non-swipe based UI is the default to load.
    2) When users want to access the Start screen function, they can do so with a fixed soft-button on the Centrafuse UI
    3) user then launches desired application from this start screen.
    4) User has option to return to the main Centrafuse screen always using a hard USB button, like a mute or volume knob solution that puts the screen back on to the Centrafuse screen.


    I guess, if we can make the Centrafuse application act like an android phone where a physical "home" button is always programmed to take us back to a minimized Centrafuse application and OS access is provided through a soft button, we may have a handy solution.

    Now I am not at all familiar with the capabilities and features of Centrafuse as this is my first CAR-PC build and I have not even played with it yet, but I am hoping a solution like this would be possible.

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    I have not used CF in quite a while but if I remember correctly it comes reconfigured with a menu button that takes you to an embedded windows desktop screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilG View Post
    I have not used CF in quite a while but if I remember correctly it comes reconfigured with a menu button that takes you to an embedded windows desktop screen.
    No, it comes with a button that minimizes CF to the task bar, exposing the desktop.

    Idea one isn't possible, because the Start screen isn't just a different version or extension of the Windows desktop, it's an entirely different UI, running on a different version of the .net framework. So it is impossible to put the start screen or any Metro app "inside a windows desktop application...like Centrafuse.

    Idea two is probably possible , since all you need to do is press the "Windows" key on your keyboard to switch to the start screen, or Windows-D to get back to the desktop. But again, there is no way to exit a Metro app and go directly back to the desktop. Metro apps don't actually exit...they just suspend in the background. So in the context of a standard, non-multi-touch screen, you can go from a Metro app to the Start screen and from the Start screen to the desktop (and CF) but you can't go directly from a Metro app to the desktop or CF without a keyboard or mouse.

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    How can i setup win 8 to boot directly in to centrafuse? U used startup folder in win7 and it was fast. But I tried same thing with win 8 and it doesn't work,as it loads start screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogislav View Post
    How can i setup win 8 to boot directly in to centrafuse? U used startup folder in win7 and it was fast. But I tried same thing with win 8 and it doesn't work,as it loads start screen.
    There's an app for that.

    You can get it here: http://repo.centrafuse.com/centrafus...F8_Startup.zip

    Assuming that CF is in it's typical path, you'll need to do a couple of things.
    1. Set Windows to login directly without a password. You can do a search on Google for instructions on how to do that.
    2. Create a task to run this startup app immediately after login. Again, a search on google will show you how to create a task in windows 8 that runs at login.
    3. The app simply launches Centrafuse.

    The process isn't super fast for two reasons. Windows 8 loads a bunch of startup processes during login, and the task manager doesn't run until they are all started. And when you load Centrafuse ( or in this case, the startup app), it has to load the appropriate .net framework core libraries if another .net app hasn't already done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogislav View Post
    How can i setup win 8 to boot directly in to centrafuse? U used startup folder in win7 and it was fast. But I tried same thing with win 8 and it doesn't work,as it loads start screen.
    When I was playing around with Win-8 for the Car-PC, I created a registry entry in "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run" for my FE . That loaded the FE faster than using the Win8 startup folder but still slow compared to Win7. Haven't had a chance to look in depth at the possibility of finding a faster load method.
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