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    Quote Originally Posted by eugenweij View Post
    If someone can make a frontend compatible with several different OS and make the frontend either easily customizable or already very complete you wont need to create something new.
    That already exists (or at least is actively being developed)
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    If an OS is to be the Front End (so to speak), I think Android is the closest. But still has a way to go. Tablets lack a sleek real world interface. Yes there are some apps for OBD and such. But it is still weak in other hardware interfacing (managing audio sources, remote displays, remote inputs, non-streaming radio).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borte View Post
    I'm sure I'm not the only being curious now I'd like to know your thoughts about that if you'd like to share. Not to argue against it but to get other opinions and viewpoints as well. After all the ones developing the software tends to get kinda "narrow minded" after a while (me included ).
    Absolutely. I would love to have a discussion about this and hear exactly how you do things, and your reasoning for doing so... but a forum is not the right venue for such a discussion as it is too open to interruptions and redirections.

    Quote Originally Posted by Borte View Post
    That already exists (or at least is actively being developed)
    It already exists multiple times over! There are at least two frontends that fit this qualification, one is vastly more popular than the other, but it does not mean the second does not exist :P
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    I have often wondered why FE's have not been written in Java, being it's cross platform already. Just curious SNO

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    Hmmm, lets pull this back to where I was going with the idea.

    1.) I'm NOT suggesting to make a new app front end - several good ones already exist.

    However, I could see people pulling together to create a "template" for a really useful design / theme.

    2.) I'm not trying to stir up negative energy! If anything I'm trying to do the impossible of pulling together "independent" developers to work on something.

    2A.) If sticking with what works and using mo3car as an example the site would be powered by phpnuke, the forums by phorum and the app Mary by oscommerce!

    But, I'm not interested in this idea beyond that since what is available today is actually pretty good.

    3.) money - I did suggest several ways already on how this issue could be addressed.

    4.) I'm not suggesting to build a NEW OS for this. That's plain silly beans!

    4A.) I've listed a few possible candidates which could be very feasible: android, sailfish (still waiting to see what they're doing), webOS (another wait and see) and Ubuntu TV (which might be the challenger to Android as in being a crossover hardware OS)

    5.) project management: I totally missed that aspect until the above post. This is probably why most projects fail. Too many chefs to spoil the soup and no one "dick head" (aka, Steve Jobs) to play dictator to keep the vision coherent and on track.

    6.) there is really no reason to change the status quo. Looking at what is available, there really isn't any reason for most people here to change their thoughts or ideas. However, I can already see change happening and the longer you sit on back thinking nothing needs to change you'll be able to walk into some shop in 1-3 years and buy a head unit that almost does what your setup can do today. Alibaba is already shifting from win CE and in a few more years it won't be just Pioneer, clarion (or is kenwood ?) but basically everybody.

    7.) tablets have opened this market up to lots of folks who are just sick and tired of having a smart phone with 16GB + of stuff and stupid head unit that just plays CDs and has a radio.

    7A.) dash command and several other programs have already started to tap into the ability to communicate between a car and your mobile device.

    8.) I'm suggesting to take one of the OSes from 4A and bake the FE into that. This would be a seem less integration on an OS level compared to tapping on an app to run it.

    Look at what appradio has accomplished! Going off topic, imagine if we were to petition pioneer to open their hardware like what the people did to Microsoft and kinetic! You could have access to the radio, USB, camera, DVD and screen! Lol, maybe I've been thinking about this the wrong way!!!

    Or, get google to put some pressure on ASUS to open up their transformer dock and let us hack that! There has already been a 500gb drive slapped into one of those and it contains 2 USB ports to play with!


    Any, I'm just trying to push what has been here into a new year and a new mentality. Although I'm not a fan of Wordpress I'm sure as hell glad we're not stuck with phpnuke or even PostNuke

    * sorry for all the php references

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    Hmmm, lets pull this back to where I was going with the idea.

    1.) I'm NOT suggesting to make a new app front end - several good ones already exist.

    However, I could see people pulling together to create a "template" for a really useful design / theme.

    2.) I'm not trying to stir up negative energy! If anything I'm trying to do the impossible of pulling together "independent" developers to work on something.

    2A.) If sticking with what works and using mo3car as an example the site would be powered by phpnuke, the forums by phorum and the app Mary by oscommerce!

    But, I'm not interested in this idea beyond that since what is available today is actually pretty good.

    3.) money - I did suggest several ways already on how this issue could be addressed.

    4.) I'm not suggesting to build a NEW OS for this. That's plain silly beans!

    4A.) I've listed a few possible candidates which could be very feasible: android, sailfish (still waiting to see what they're doing), webOS (another wait and see) and Ubuntu TV (which might be the challenger to Android as in being a crossover hardware OS)

    5.) project management: I totally missed that aspect until the above post. This is probably why most projects fail. Too many chefs to spoil the soup and no one "dick head" (aka, Steve Jobs) to play dictator to keep the vision coherent and on track.

    6.) there is really no reason to change the status quo. Looking at what is available, there really isn't any reason for most people here to change their thoughts or ideas. However, I can already see change happening and the longer you sit on back thinking nothing needs to change you'll be able to walk into some shop in 1-3 years and buy a head unit that almost does what your setup can do today. Alibaba is already shifting from win CE and in a few more years it won't be just Pioneer, clarion (or is kenwood ?) but basically everybody.

    7.) tablets have opened this market up to lots of folks who are just sick and tired of having a smart phone with 16GB + of stuff and stupid head unit that just plays CDs and has a radio.

    7A.) dash command and several other programs have already started to tap into the ability to communicate between a car and your mobile device.

    8.) I'm suggesting to take one of the OSes from 4A and bake the FE into that. This would be a seem less integration on an OS level compared to tapping on an app to run it.

    Look at what appradio has accomplished! Going off topic, imagine if we were to petition pioneer to open their hardware like what the people did to Microsoft and kinetic! You could have access to the radio, USB, camera, DVD and screen! Lol, maybe I've been thinking about this the wrong way!!!

    Or, get google to put some pressure on ASUS to open up their transformer dock and let us hack that! There has already been a 500gb drive slapped into one of those and it contains 2 USB ports to play with!


    Any, I'm just trying to push what has been here into a new year and a new mentality. Although I'm not a fan of Wordpress I'm sure as hell glad we're not stuck with phpnuke or even PostNuke

    * sorry for all the php references

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    Ugh, tapatalk!
    Sorry for double post!!

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    @ java

    Good question!
    I'm just gonna guess that maybe there has never really been many people here with that skill.

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    I wish you the very best of luck with this noble endeavor. If nothing else, it will provide for a lot of stimulating discussion, and folks will have the opportunity to share their knowledge a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    I wish you the very best of luck with this noble endeavor. If nothing else, it will provide for a lot of stimulating discussion, and folks will have the opportunity to share their knowledge a bit more.
    Actually, more than succeeding its the idea of actually push the community forward.

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