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    I know this won't please anyone, but I just dug around and pulled a random BT dongle from a drawer and attached it to the Win7 machine used in the demo.

    1. I downloaded the latest version of BlueSoleil (10.0.470.0) from the IVT website and installed that. I didn't activate it.
    2. I opened Centrafuse and setup Bluetooth. It found and paired with my Droid Razr fairly quickly. I set it for handset audio since I don't have a mic or speakers attached to the demo box.
    3. I then imported my phone contacts. This IS a little tricky, since it pops up a dialog on the Razr asking for permission. If you don't see that, you may think it worked anyway, since the "Importing phonebook" popup times out after a bit. But it doesn't so you have to acknowledge the message on your phone and give permission for access to the phonebook before the data will successfully transfer. It's likely the exact sequence may vary from phone to phone.
    4. Then I opened the CF phone app and checked that my contacts were preset (they were after I got that permission issue sorted out).
    5. I then made a call. No problem.
    6. I put the PC to sleep, waited a few minutes, then came out of sleep. Still paired and was able to make a call without issue.
    7. I then put the PC in hibernate and had some lunch. Came back, started the pc, and it was paired and I was able to make a call without a problem.

    Counting the time it took it download the software, I spent about 15 minutes setting it all up. It all works, as advertised, and without error. And BlueSoliel is still in demo mode...I haven't activated it yet.

    I will clean it all up and re-do a step-by-step video for our Youtube channel. If you are using an iPhone, it probably won't work. READ THAT AGAIN. I said probably. It might pair, it might stay paired, it might stay paired after sleep or hibernation....but its very likely it won't. On my workbench, with my kid's iPhone4 and iPhone5, it all seems to work pretty good. But I haven't spent much time with those phones, and the evidence in the forums speaks strongly to the problems BlueSoliel has with iPhones.

    I will try to get the vids up this evening. Hopefully by the end of the weekend, I can get vids up showing how to use some of the Navigation apps and maybe even OBDII.

    Again, there are a million variables that can affect the outcome of a Centrafuse installation. I'm just demonstrating that there is a way to do it that will produce success. And based on the hundreds of installations I've done over the last few years, I feel pretty comfortable when I say it will produce success pretty much every time.

    Cheers!

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    Just wanting clarification with the windows drivers & CF install procedure. I dont use CF, nor havent read up. Finding this thread interesting starting with the 1 size fits all, turn key solution, to a CF whinging type thread.

    so to be successful..
    windows updates and driver updates must be done before CF is installed - cool i get that
    CF installed - all good
    Add additional hardware, wifi or FM module or new windows update - does CF need to be reinstalled before it will work 100%? or will be happy to humding along with hardware/software added after the install?

    if it needs a reinstall, that would be frustrating as hell, but if it meant trouble free use, fair enough.
    if its the later, then the install procedure shouldnt be a prerequisite and you can install CF whenever.


    Im not having a dig at all, im just needing clarifcation.

    OT; by the sounds of it a carpc FE needs to sell a unit like what Pioneer/alpine/kenwood/apple sells. you buy hardware, with software installed and you just plug and play. apps can be downloaded via app store setup with are approved for use.. any fiddling (ie jailbreaking) afterwards is warranty void, but u get to play with it enthusiast style
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    awesome, thanks for the clafication..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ephect View Post
    OT; by the sounds of it a carpc FE needs to sell a unit like what Pioneer/alpine/kenwood/apple sells. you buy hardware, with software installed and you just plug and play. apps can be downloaded via app store setup with are approved for use.. any fiddling (ie jailbreaking) afterwards is warranty void, but u get to play with it enthusiast style
    If we hobbyists wanted a closed system like that, we'd just spend the money on a headunit with touchscreen that has all the functionality we want and be done with it.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't want the PC in my truck to look, feel or act like a high-end headunit, either aftermarket or OEM. I want it to act, behave and perform like the PC I installed and configured the way I want.
    Yes, my PC will have the same functionality as many high-end systems.
    A friend has the premium-level stereo in his Kia Forte and it has all the functionality I desire from the PC in my truck:
    - Audio streaming across bluetooth (So I can play podcasts I've downloaded to my phone)
    - Instant accessibility to music on the HDD
    - GPS navigation
    - Hands-free mobile phone operation
    - Voice commands
    I sourced the hardware myself, assembled, tested and installed myself. There's a pride I feel that this is a relatively major modification project that I did myself, albeit with the help of some close friends and advice of countless others.
    I wouldn't feel that same level of pride if it was as "simple" as swapping a headunit.

    StreetDeck tried to go this route and failed miserably.
    The hardware was the Infill G4, which was sub-par hardware to begin with. And since the SD license was tied to the PC hardware, you couldn't replace a motherboard for one with a faster CPU and more RAM and newer features (USB3.0, SATA3, etc.)
    You could connect USB devices, but that's about it.
    The PC hardware was sluggish

    Don't get me wrong. I understand the appeal of an all in one solution. Nor everyone wants the planning, expense, labor and frustration that goes into installing a PC setup. It's a perpetual project, even once it is installed and working adequately.
    StreeDeck was only able to pursue the path they did because they worked with MP3Car to partner with Infill and get the software pre-loaded on the hardware.
    If StreetDeck were a better product and the hardware were better than the G4, it might have gone somewhere.


    Note to self:
    Must purchase my trial of Centrafuse 4.0 this week!
    Have you looked in the FAQ yet?
    How about the Wiki?



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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
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    I will clean it all up and re-do a step-by-step video for our Youtube channel. ....
    Did you ever post the video? I'm interested in purchasing Centrafuse.

    Thanks for your efforts
    "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -AE

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarquePervert View Post
    If we hobbyists wanted a closed system like that, we'd just spend the money on a headunit with touchscreen that has all the functionality we want and be done with it.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't want the PC in my truck to look, feel or act like a high-end headunit, either aftermarket or OEM. I want it to act, behave and perform like the PC I installed and configured the way I want.
    Yes, my PC will have the same functionality as many high-end systems.
    A friend has the premium-level stereo in his Kia Forte and it has all the functionality I desire from the PC in my truck:
    - Audio streaming across bluetooth (So I can play podcasts I've downloaded to my phone)
    - Instant accessibility to music on the HDD
    - GPS navigation
    - Hands-free mobile phone operation
    - Voice commands
    I sourced the hardware myself, assembled, tested and installed myself. There's a pride I feel that this is a relatively major modification project that I did myself, albeit with the help of some close friends and advice of countless others.
    I wouldn't feel that same level of pride if it was as "simple" as swapping a headunit.

    StreetDeck tried to go this route and failed miserably.
    The hardware was the Infill G4, which was sub-par hardware to begin with. And since the SD license was tied to the PC hardware, you couldn't replace a motherboard for one with a faster CPU and more RAM and newer features (USB3.0, SATA3, etc.)
    You could connect USB devices, but that's about it.
    The PC hardware was sluggish

    Don't get me wrong. I understand the appeal of an all in one solution. Nor everyone wants the planning, expense, labor and frustration that goes into installing a PC setup. It's a perpetual project, even once it is installed and working adequately.
    StreeDeck was only able to pursue the path they did because they worked with MP3Car to partner with Infill and get the software pre-loaded on the hardware.
    If StreetDeck were a better product and the hardware were better than the G4, it might have gone somewhere.


    Note to self:
    Must purchase my trial of Centrafuse 4.0 this week!
    i totally agree, building a system and customising it to you car and needs its an awesome and very satisfying feeling. I've finished my second install and wouldnt have been able to do some of the things from an all in one solution. i would've bought a pioneer unit if i didnt want the customisation. Sounds like StreetDeck was a good base unit to get into the scene to start using a carpc. Pity it went the way it did.

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    I think the car PC isn't just about software customization, but hardware customization as well.

    My car doesn't have space for a 2DIN head unit. I could replace the factory system with a 2DIN head unit, but I'd also have to spend hundreds of dollars modifying the climate controls as they're integrated into the OE head unit. And even after that, I'd have something that looked aftermarket, and I want to avoid that.

    I have a storage bin on the dash that's the perfect place for a car PC screen. In fact it's the same location the OEM navigation screen would have gone. Can't put a head unit there, but the screen works perfectly.

    Software that looks/acts like a Pioneer/Clarion/Alpine/etc... head unit is what I'm after.

    Android is a no-go for me. A 7" tablet can't be modified to fit that location. No Android based front-end apps exist that overlay media controls on the map, no Sirius receivers are compatible with it, etc... There' also the legality of a tablet on the dash - it's illegal to touch here and that's a law that's spreading quickly. A car PC with an OEM/Aftermarket head unit style interface is not considered a handheld device and would be less risky to use.
    Some links added by the forum, I did not add them, they are not necessarily representative of my thoughts or opinions. Links may have been edited in without my permission.

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    I promised a video on Centrafuse and Bluetooth. Here it is:



    Work got the best of me this week so it took a little longer to get it done than I expected. This is just the basics:

    1. How to get BlueSoleil installed and configured.
    2. How to pair your phone
    3. The steps needed (inside CF and out) to import your contacts/phonebook
    4. Making a call.

    As an unexpected extra, I demonstrate how easy it is to update Centrafuse to the latest version. (4.4.5 -> 4.4.6).
    The Centrafuse video channel is here ( http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1k_0M2MiPT4hTgFcYKTJkQ ) and a pretty good place to get started. The Centrafuse Wiki has been through a massive cleanup and reorganization and you can check out the latest info here: http://wiki.centrafuse.com/

    No point in any further hijacking of this thread, have a great weekend!

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