Wait a minute...
I have to disagree with the comment that Delphi is dying off. In many ways, Delphi is superior to VB.
One, it creates more stable programs. With VB, you just wait for the next crash. Two, it creates smaller executables, unlike VB with 2MB of crap compiled onto crap even on the smallest of programs. And three, it is an easier transition, IMHO, to more advanced languages like C and Perl.
The only times I see VB actively used in the marketplace is when a client specifically asks for the program to be written in VB so that they can modify it themselves later. Otherwise it's written in VC++, or very occasionally, Delphi.
The only plus I can give to learning VB is that it is very easy to learn. It is the decendant of BASIC and was designed to be very simple. It will teach you the basic programming ideas that all languages use which can help a lot.
This is not an angry rant, just a statment of opinion. And now that I re-read it, I see that it is way off topic. Ooops. But to sum up, if you're stuck between the choice of VB and Delphi, choose Delphi. It will be a much better investment of time and money in the long run.
Gutter
http://impee3.hypermart.net
ok - - - i think i have made a decision!!!
i will go in order of difficulty. Because,, what's wrong with knowing them all ???? Instead of me deciding which is best to start out with and whatnot, i think i will just go from easiest to hardest!
I shall start off with VB. i know it may seem TOO easy to some people, but this would be a GREAT confidence-booster. then i will probably move on to delphi. from there, i see C++ in the long run (the grand-daddy, EXcluding assembly).
.word.
dj
i really don't have much useful input on this topic but....Since everybofy else was saying there order of learning...
My current path:
Logo(ok so maybe its not really a programing language but it was fun!)
AppleBasic(on a IIe)
GWBasic
QBasic
VB(currently what im working on)
Anyways....
Catlas
st started learning C++ , Im using borland becasue MS C++ sucks *** and takes too much space on my 3gig HD
umm, isn't borland old school. I think u should seriously think it through. Alot of source code u will come across is writen in c/c++ not borland. There are lots of compactability issues. Also u can install just what u need. I usually install everything so this way i don't have to a)limit my self, b) listen to the compiler whine sometimes about something not installed.
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abcd-1
Author of CobraI,II,III and now CobraIV.
You can contact me on AOL instant messenger....nick is cenwesi or cenwesi3
Maybe its a little late, but the first code that I learned was C++.
BEN
It's never late in these endless controversial topics of what is best...
And so, if you plan on earn your bucks from programming jobs, take a look on the requirements the companies ask. I know there is a job for every single programming languaje out there (I know there is job for people who knows COBOL and RPG-II), but the most wanted people nowadays are the C++/SQL/Java/HTML know it all's, and by that the Microsoft flavor is the most demanded.
If you are to work for yourself, to program by hire, I recommend the Borland flavor, because the resulting programs are more stable and easier to mantain.
OK - i understand that Borland is a C++ compiler. I also understand that Microsoft also has a compiler for C++. The Microsoft one is a lot more expensive - i know. Here's my question:
Are there different things to know (w/ C++ structure), whether i am learning either Microsoft's flavor or the Borland flavor. For example --> if i learn Microsoft's C++, then do i have to learn a lot more to be able to use the Borland compiler ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(sorry if i got confusing there)
dj
I'm gonna try and flag that one. Please correct me if you know that I am incorrect on anything. If you are designing for multi-platform ( linux, unix, MS, ...) then Borland is the better compiler. I was told recently that Borland added MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes) support, which, from what I understand is pretty important in windows programming but is useless in all other platforms. I must admit I am not up to par on win32 C++. I do know that Microsoft always throws in their own crap, to further promote dependence on their other products(OS). I do believe that VC++ has the widest install base, I know FedEx uses it, and they have a huge IT department. Also, all popular C++ compilers (MS, Borland/Inprise) comply with the ANSI standard. Which means that the class/object, data type, etc is the same.
If I'm wrong on somethings, just shoot me OK
Hope that helps,
P.S. Just so you know (not talking about anyone here) HTML and SQL are not programming languages, I have had that argument so much, THEY AREN'T, They are good to know but they aren't <u>programming</u> languages.
Good VB Book? ISBN 0-7600-5016-3
It is so easy with this book. It literally holds your hand and walks you through everything, All the basics that is. It was my first VB class textbook. It's VB5 but everything in it works in VB6. The VB6 version is almost identical, all the same projects and everything. I'll sell it for $15. I could probably get more but I don't mind losing a few to help someone on this board.
Email me if interested
[This message has been edited by SexyCompGeek (edited 08-29-2000).]
[This message has been edited by SexyCompGeek (edited 08-29-2000).]
Let's not forget about the DJGPP compiler. It's free and works great! You can create multiplatform applications including Windows apps. It's a 32-bit compiler for DOS that comes with the Allegro game library. The IDE (RHIDE) is almost identical to Borland's too. I'm not saying that one works better than another, just that there's one compiler out there that will do the same thing as the others, but for free. Try it out first before you spend big bucks on Borland or MS. You can find it at www.delorie.com.
Gutter
http://impee3.hypermart.net
[This message has been edited by Gutter (edited 08-31-2000).]
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