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    Quote Originally Posted by rushnrockt
    Simply no. ECU and the rest of the car electronics have nothing to do with infotainment system, so that concern can exist only on the level of wire interference which is just silly.



    Jim Spoonhower is the name, look him up. I actually had another thread posted about the discussion we had about the possible laws. He makes quite a few presentations at different autoshows, so now you know who "The Guy" is, off to the rest of the question.
    Unique does not equal better or more popular. Like I was saying, they are not worried about the fact that their "good" product will get replaced by a "bad" product, just something not as "unique." To top it off, the approach of everyone-for-themselves means that they cannot sell cheap systems, which means that most people are not even going to consider them which means they cannot lower the price/increase volumes... which means that the stuff stays expensive and they are missing out on expanding a new market.
    I never opined that unique equals better. I Opined that unique is unique, and that I would, and I assume car manufacturers, would much rather have a unique system that that can advertise as being unique. Heck, they may even think it is better because thiers does X, while someones elses does Y. That would be an opinion. While I might think the Lexus system is the shiznit, you might disagree. In any event, the lexus system has several unique features that they can tought as making it better. Why give that up. So that everyone can have it. To make it cheaper. Why do people deserve the technology. If one can't afford the technology, they can't afford it. Why must the companies make the technology available for the masses.

    The market will continue to expand, as people make more money, and buy new cars. Once the systems become standard equipment, as I am sure they will, the price of cars will increase and the market will be expanded.

    It's just like ABS. Originally, they were an expensive option. Eventually, they became standard, and the price was added/absorbed into the price of the car. There is no standard for ABS. Airbags are a pretty good example as well.

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    I appreciate your attitude and I guess it is the internet's way of not conveying tone...

    anyways let me try to elaborate.

    Say my cars Roy Motors, come with an advanced GPS/Infotainment system that tracks maintenance, oil changes, dealer changes to the car, maintenance and so forth. The system also has a really kick-*** interface to my engines OBD-II diagnostics, coupled with above average GPS navigation, POIs, and so forth.

    Can you now see a reason for me not wanting to share that?

    I am not saying it is wise (because if Roy Motors and Rushin Motors () were developing a system together or at least sponsoring a system together, the system would arguable be even better), but unfortunately car companies dont think that way I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyN
    I appreciate your attitude and I guess it is the internet's way of not conveying tone...

    anyways let me try to elaborate.

    Say my cars Roy Motors, come with an advanced GPS/Infotainment system that tracks maintenance, oil changes, dealer changes to the car, maintenance and so forth. The system also has a really kick-*** interface to my engines OBD-II diagnostics, coupled with above average GPS navigation, POIs, and so forth.

    Can you now see a reason for me not wanting to share that?

    I am not saying it is wise (because if Roy Motors and Rushin Motors () were developing a system together or at least sponsoring a system together, the system would arguable be even better), but unfortunately car companies dont think that way I guess
    Ahh, alright, now I see. I assumed that much. I was going along the lines of Acura/Lexus approach where you can't touch anything on the engine side through the GPS system. You know, the dumbie approach.
    I consider it quite doable that:
    1) the system is made such that none of the engine electronics can be reprogrammed
    2) interface to the car electronics is separated from the rest of the electronics.

    I will have to think a little more in depth on how that would be best implemented, but Roy Motors and Rushn Motors would definitely benefit from having each other's expertise and being able to lower the prices
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    Yes, in the long term it would be amazing for us... Roy Motors and Rushin Motors would both have an amazing system that would put us at the top of the market (assuming we form an alliance without other mfgrs), or would mean we spend each less on development (even if we form a field-wide alliance with all car mfgrs).

    HOWEVER,

    in the short term it would mean that my kick-*** system will also be in your car, and if I can develop that by myself (arguably startup costs are going to be steep no matter if I do it on my own or with you)... further arguably, the executives at both mine and your company wont be there in 5 or 10 years, so they wont be reaping the nbenefits...

    One way too look at it... pessimistic, yes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyN
    Yes, in the long term it would be amazing for us... Roy Motors and Rushin Motors would both have an amazing system that would put us at the top of the market (assuming we form an alliance without other mfgrs), or would mean we spend each less on development (even if we form a field-wide alliance with all car mfgrs).

    HOWEVER,

    in the short term it would mean that my kick-*** system will also be in your car, and if I can develop that by myself (arguably startup costs are going to be steep no matter if I do it on my own or with you)... further arguably, the executives at both mine and your company wont be there in 5 or 10 years, so they wont be reaping the nbenefits...

    One way too look at it... pessimistic, yes...
    If a pessimist is always right, is he a realist?
    Yeah, most executives think only in terms of "while i am here" not what's good for a company in the long run. I just remembered an example of opposite out of a company that usually cares about the "now" and not future, GM. Their OnStar system can be found not only on all their own cars, but also on other manufacturer's cars, like Acura. May be something like tha will happen here too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushnrockt
    If a pessimist is always right, is he a realist?
    Yeah, most executives think only in terms of "while i am here" not what's good for a company in the long run. I just remembered an example of opposite out of a company that usually cares about the "now" and not future, GM. Their OnStar system can be found not only on all their own cars, but also on other manufacturer's cars, like Acura. May be something like tha will happen here too.
    I thin there is a fundamental difference between a service, and a product.

    First of all people pay for the service. Not sure who owns the Onstar service, and who is reaping the benefits, but if it is GM, then it makes sense that they are allowing others to sell the service. They get money for it, directly. Also, I believe that onstar is only available on GM family vehicles. menaing, it is all GM cars, even if they are Chevy, Saab, whatever else is GM.

    But, once a product is sold, or if the developemtn cost is shared, and therefore, the product is shared, they get nothing from the other having the product.

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    12vsystems.com, as an owner of mappoint I'm surprised you had problems getting GPS working with the mappoint control. It's half an hours coding to get the GPS data in from the serial port (or get the gps libs from franson.biz) - but yeah it's quite expensive.

    In the next 5-10 years it loks like in UK (and probably extending to europe) there will be some directive to make auto manufacturers built GSM + GPS into the car's internal systems anyway for 'road charging' - so that's one reason why car manufacturers dont want auto systems + info systems split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiredwrx
    I thin there is a fundamental difference between a service, and a product.

    First of all people pay for the service. Not sure who owns the Onstar service, and who is reaping the benefits, but if it is GM, then it makes sense that they are allowing others to sell the service. They get money for it, directly. Also, I believe that onstar is only available on GM family vehicles. menaing, it is all GM cars, even if they are Chevy, Saab, whatever else is GM.

    But, once a product is sold, or if the developemtn cost is shared, and therefore, the product is shared, they get nothing from the other having the product.

    Michael
    Indeed.

    OnStar is a combination service and product and is owned by GM. I am well aware of the differences, yet I gave that as an example that manufacturer's are capable of designing something that they are willing to share. Although GM is still getting profit from the service itself, it also takes away its competitive edge in that respect, which is one of the main worries for the manufacturers.
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    Here ya go...........

    Quote Originally Posted by 12Vsystems.com
    No one has posted any screenshots yet, I'd really like to see how some of these setup look once they have been skinned and tweaked.
    These screenshots are of IGskinner, some buttons are not working yet, but they will be in the next release, you can place them any where and all the buttons can be skinned to whatever look you want
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    Looks good, but iguidance is only US/Canada right?

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