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    Best option for booting?

    been looking around at the various options for booting

    stripping OS back to basics

    booting to front end

    hibernating

    EWF and minlogon? not grasped this yet need more research

    but what do people generally regard as quickest and most efficient.
    especially for resuming music play. obviously coming from a CD/MP3 setup i'm used to it resuming where it left off.

    is that possible?

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    Boot options

    You have obviously done some research into this. Here is what I've found works best for our setup.

    Go through your bios and test different configurations to see which will allow the fastest boot.

    Use NLite to create a Windows XP install, remove a lot of unused junk and tweak the boot settings in the wizard. Don't expect it to work the first time. I've created over 20 images and only 2 work how I wanted.

    Run Bootvis, it's a microsoft component that gives you a lot of useful info about what's component is taking the most time to load and will tweak it.

    Use Minilogon to replace Winlogon (Do this after running bootvis) This saved me about 7 seconds.

    Do all this and your system should boot in under 30 seconds.

    I have also been playing with EWF and am still a little confused. I have it enabled, if I try and copy a movie to the hard drive as soon as the ram is full (512mb) the system gives me a ton of errors (Which is what I would expect because nothing can be written to the drive) but when I run my Front End ESXManager and use hibernation with EWF the front end remembers the song it was last playing. How is this possible if nothing is being written to this disk?
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    10% success rate for nlite doesn't sound very appealing. but i guess i gotta go through it

    so if i just cut back windows and used hibernate would it bring back media player on the correct song in a reasonable time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBeast
    10% success rate for nlite doesn't sound very appealing. but i guess i gotta go through it

    so if i just cut back windows and used hibernate would it bring back media player on the correct song in a reasonable time?
    Define "reasonable"

    With minimum effort, and HORM, you should be good to go in under 30 seconds. That can be faster if you strip somethings, and fail to load a whole bunch of CPU processes.

    To me, 30 seconds is reasonable, since originally when I started with this stuff, it took at least a minute to load the OS, and often times more. And, I had to wait for shutdown or else it would corrupt the HD after a short period of time.

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    Resonable boot times

    You have to keep in mind that you are using Windows XP it was never designed to be used in a car and a lot of us are running hardware that is much slower then todays desktops.

    These forums are gold the fact that people here worked out a way to get almost any XP system in under 30 seconds is really impressive. My last job was working for a big company as an applications engineer I had access to a lot of the developer networks but 90% of the time I would find the most useful info right here.
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    yes this place is an excellent knowledge base.

    i can't get to grips with a 30 sec boot in terms of getting my car and starting up untill i actually have to do it. but i guess you lot find it good so thats a good measure

    doesn't HORM return you to the same state all the time? what about song resume?
    i still have limited knowledge so please correct me,
    however i've discovered that roadrunner is apprently a good frontend and resumes music play so that sounds cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBeast
    yes this place is an excellent knowledge base.

    i can't get to grips with a 30 sec boot in terms of getting my car and starting up untill i actually have to do it. but i guess you lot find it good so thats a good measure

    doesn't HORM return you to the same state all the time? what about song resume?
    i still have limited knowledge so please correct me,
    however i've discovered that roadrunner is apprently a good frontend and resumes music play so that sounds cool
    There might be a fix for that. I believe you can HORM with out EWF. EWF restricts the writes to your disk. EWF is needed for those guys who are using CF cards to boot, because of the "limited" read/write ability of CF cards. If you are using a Hardrive, that should bot be an issue (This is my understandig of using EWF, I may be incorrect, I am no expert on it) Also, you can install your media player/winamp on a non EWF protected hardrive, and I believe it will write the information there, so that when the computer restarts, it will resume from that location. This requires either a second hardrive, or perhaps just a second HD partition.

    If that doesn't work for me, I plan on just setting the HORM point at the end of a song. That way, when the computer starts, it will just shuffle to the next song. Or perhaps, create a silent mp3 of a couple of seconds, and set the HORM point on that song.

    You can also activate your computer with your alarm remote. In that way, the computer starts to boot when you unlock the car. It takes I would say 5 to 10 seconds to get in the car, and start it, so then boot times will be like 20 seconds.

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    EWF needs to be installed and running for HORM. The problem with HORM as you guys have already stated is that since the PC resumes from that same state you can't resume your last song. What you can do is use the method I wrote about in this thread: Possible solution for saving files on EWF systems (without disabling EWF) If your frontend supports saving config files on another drive then you can just point it to the SDI disk. Set a task to run when the system shuts down to unmount the SDI disk and then commit the SDI file to the EWF volume.

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    There is a writeup that has safe nLite settings so you dont have to make 20 images, search "Safe Settings.ini"
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    thanks guys. yeah i was gonna look at that boot-up on alarm thingy already

    setting the HORM point at the end of a song is alright if you always shuffle but i also like to listen to an album all the way through

    i'll read about this 'fix'

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