Thread: Windows Vista

Originally Posted by Enforcer

Not sure I'm that desperate to try a new OS that can't install on my existing PC's.

If I get some time, may look into the VMware idea, but as a beta test I guess it's failed

Did you report your problems to Microsoft? It's only failed when they say 'Oh your PC is the problem' even though every other OS works on it! Which they might...

StevieG,

We installed it on a laptop we normally checkout to our users. hehe Man it took like 1.5 hours to install. We could not get network support for integrated nic in the Dell laptop. Get this.. the laptop... hehe well it is a 1.4 with 256 !!! IT RAN VISTA!!!
Can you believe that?
Yeah, it sounded ike the HDD was churnin the ENTIRE TIME.

You brought up a VERY GOOD POINT, one that I think I mentioned as well in my review...
Vista modes...
It would be VERY VERY nice to have an admin mode with less GUI crap normally for the computer impaired, kinda like a Win2000 view, stripped down gui mode with intuitive options to enable or disable services easly and perhaps customize the GUI so it's not so intensive on the hardware.

Originally Posted by techeros

StevieG,

We installed it on a laptop we normally checkout to our users. hehe Man it took like 1.5 hours to install. We could not get network support for integrated nic in the Dell laptop. Get this.. the laptop... hehe well it is a 1.4 with 256 !!! IT RAN VISTA!!!
Can you believe that?
Yeah, it sounded ike the HDD was churnin the ENTIRE TIME.

You brought up a VERY GOOD POINT, one that I think I mentioned as well in my review...
Vista modes...
It would be VERY VERY nice to have an admin mode with less GUI crap normally for the computer impaired, kinda like a Win2000 view, stripped down gui mode with intuitive options to enable or disable services easly and perhaps customize the GUI so it's not so intensive on the hardware.

Yes maybe we ought to propose this on the beta newsgroups!!! In the end I reformatted my home laptop with a nLite install - I can't believe how slow it is on 'old' hardware - I did another Vista install this morning on my VMWare machine and it was about 20 minutes for the full install, fast compared to (this) machine but bear in mind the nLite'd install CD installed in between 5-10 minutes or less.

To be honest most of the world won't care if new machines in a year are 'bogged down' by Vista as they'll probably work quite well with it - bigger concerns for me are what the indexing service will hold and how it's stored, what uses it might have in the enterprise through a central search service based on SQL Server and of course the deployment facilities that I can train the desktop team in and how I can make their lives easier..

Car-PC-wise, I'm starting to think if we want 'current' OS' on the Mini-ITX platform then it's going to have to be a slow move from the community towards Linux.

Maybe one day some clever researcher will work out how much £/$ a year the world spends just to run Microsoft's extra features - IE running all the extra pointless services and other crap uses CPU, which uses more watts from the PSU, which in turn.... Costs more money in power! Not much for one person, but imagine how much it costs EVERYONE!!!

Seriously though it is such a pity all the extra crap is on by default. OK fair enough with IIS and stuff - they say they haven't finished the parts of the installer for choosing optional components - but definately by default none of the crap (PenService.exe anyone? Didn't/Doesn't that have a massive memory leak on XP) needs to be there.

Originally Posted by stevieg

Seriously though it is such a pity all the extra crap is on by default. OK fair enough with IIS and stuff - they say they haven't finished the parts of the installer for choosing optional components - but definately by default none of the crap (PenService.exe anyone? Didn't/Doesn't that have a massive memory leak on XP) needs to be there.

Yeah I gree with what you have said especially this last part. I think they (M$) is covering their tails. As soon as some dumTard tries do do something they have NO CLUE about, and it doesn't work on the first try, they are going to blams M$ right off the bat. So they have to enable everything so things run smoothly. You think they (the user) is going to have the patience to lookup what a service is, what it does and how to enable it? DOUBT IT. Muchless on install. M$ will have to dumb it down a good bit. For example:

Welcome to Windows Vista install ! Please select your install package

I am a dumbass user (installs all services and full GUI)
I am a user who knows how to konnect to the InterWorld (hehe) (still installs everything)
I am a lan admin (especially installs windows update with no other option than always on)
I write code (stripped down mode hardly anything works whats new?)
I hack windows, so don't even try( windows right out of the box before the 30 BA-Jillion updates)

Am I right or what?

I have heard that Vista will incorporate features for gamers and hardware geeks.

1. If you add hardware to your system, even changing the motherboard out; Windows will just run the hardware install automatically and make needed changes to drivers and such. This means you should not need to reinstall the OS if you make alot of upgrades to the hardware.

2. There will be a built in benchmark utility. It will allow the user to benchmark their system. This will allow you to compare your system to others, verify if games or applications will run properly and give you reccomendations where adding additional hardware or adjusting settings to increase performance.

3. The benchmark utility will also be integrated into the OS so that applications can make adjustments to the OS for best performance. This one feature has the most plus's and negatives attached to it.

a. By doing this the programmer can disable services and OS applications to allow the program to run better.

b. There may obviously be issues with spyware gaining this ability and thereby making it more difficult to remove them.

c. From a CarPC point of view, this may allow the programmers to write code that will automatically make adjustments to allow the Front End to run better. Items like changing font sizes, screen configuration, sleep settings, bios adjustment and many other items could now be integrated into the application. When you install it, the app would see what hardware you have and automatically adjust for it.


I like alot of other people here have run MS stuff since DOS. One thing I know is that talk is just that, talk. All these nice things that MS is talking about may or may not come to fruition. We will just have to wait until they ship the final gold version to see what we get. If they do go in this direction, it will be interesting to see how well it works.

Has anyone checked Microsoft's Vista site recently? I may be reporting old news, but Microsoft is saying 2-3 second boot times...They compare it to turning on a TV.

Improved Performance

Windows Vista lets busy people be more productive. Windows Vista can recover from Sleep in few seconds, a capability known as Fast Startup. Applications and files load much faster than they did with Windows XP, and Windows Vista will significantly improve overall system responsiveness. Users will particularly notice improvements over Windows XP when opening the Start menu or right-clicking items in Windows Explorer. Windows Vista also features built-in performance self-tuning. The system will recognize and correct issues that cause performance degradation, including slow shell responsiveness and slow boot or logon.

they are just talking about suspend and resume.. which already only takes a second or two...

here is the link to the article:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...essionals.mspx

I hope vista useable. I just put windows 2000 back in 2 of my Win XP machines because I was tired of XP tripping over it's own bloated code. Vista's system requirements are a little high for a car PC, maybe someone will "eNlite"en it. The only install of XP I'm happy with that I own is the one in my car PC, it's an eNlite version. I tried using the eNlite version from my car in my office PC but I ran into problems trying to get my printer to work. Developing an nLite version is just so dam time consuming. It would be nice is Vista had something like nLite built in.

i just thought i'd throw my opinion in... i'm beta testing windows vista right now, so i thought i'd inform you guys (and gals) of some things....

1.) Vista takes up a considerable amount of space compared to the others. My beta install is slightly over a gig.

2.) Desktop-wise, Vista is almost identical to XP. The color scheme is different, and so is the start button, but it looks nothing like the Longhorn screenshots.

I havent played with it a whole lot, but these are the things i've noticed thus far. Hope it helps