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    I tried using 2003 as a workstation, maybe it's good for a server but as a workstation it didn't perform as well as XP and 2K. I know, it wasn't meant for a workstation, I was just exploring my options.

    I don't hate MS, I just don't like the direction they're going in. Maybe a few years after Vista is out they'll be something like nLite for it and we'll be able to trim it down to a high performance system. I'm tired of all the phone home bloatware and frustrating security crap they build in to keep the average consumer from hurting himself.

    Those other OS's you mentioned, using them is like having the most high performance car in the world, but you can only use it on 10% of the existing roads. Not a practical solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbochris
    I tried using 2003 as a workstation, maybe it's good for a server but as a workstation it didn't perform as well as XP and 2K. I know, it wasn't meant for a workstation, I was just exploring my options.

    I don't hate MS, I just don't like the direction they're going in. Maybe a few years after Vista is out they'll be something like nLite for it and we'll be able to trim it down to a high performance system. I'm tired of all the phone home bloatware and frustrating security crap they build in to keep the average consumer from hurting himself.

    Those other OS's you mentioned, using them is like having the most high performance car in the world, but you can only use it on 10% of the existing roads. Not a practical solution.
    What direction are they going in that you don't like?
    I find that I can trim down the extra junk to stop from hurting yourself, I can even make it look and behave as if it were Win2k but with Xp's backbone. (more security).
    Granted, they are appealing to the masses becasue that is where the market is, not for us guru's. If they were appealing to us, it would look alot like Linux, command prompts and less frilly GUI stuff. Granted, an admin GUI would be nice.

    After looking at Vista, (which I understand is built on XP) there are some differences for sure. Look at it like this. It is job security for you and me. The GUI is a little different.
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    What direction are they going in that you don't like
    I fear they're going to squash freeware and the ability to trim the OS as you mentioned, all in the name of security. I'm a little concerned about the direction DRM is going in also. They see security as securing their profits. If someone writes a great freeware program, that could hurt MS or one of MS's partners that sell an equivalent program. Why wouldn't MS just close up their OS to make it so no one but their liscensed partners will be able to make software that will run on Windows? Do you think they aren't considering this? Soon security concerns will have our OS residing on MS's servers and we'll have to rent time for access. It will be just like WebTV!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbochris
    I fear they're going to squash freeware and the ability to trim the OS as you mentioned, all in the name of security. I'm a little concerned about the direction DRM is going in also. They see security as securing their profits. If someone writes a great freeware program, that could hurt MS or one of MS's partners that sell an equivalent program. Why wouldn't MS just close up their OS to make it so no one but their liscensed partners will be able to make software that will run on Windows? Do you think they aren't considering this? Soon security concerns will have our OS residing on MS's servers and we'll have to rent time for access. It will be just like WebTV!
    Well thats the big thing now MS AntiTrust ... at least I'm pretty sure that pertains to what your talking about. I doubt seriously that will happen. M$ will be shooting themselves in the foot if they do, IMHO. It will shut down the road for other (non-MS Partner) companies to make usefull products to run on popular OS's like XP and soon to be Vista.

    I am not discounting what you are saying, and yes I feel if M$ had the opportunity to lock down the market like you are suggesting, then the US gov would have failed us.

    As a lan admin, I would stear claer of something that would become so propritary. That would be like me buying a brother server and brother os to run brother word and brother networking tools. We can run whatever os we want and 3rd party programs.

    I think opensource code is the window for new opportunity, new software, and possibilities, companies etc etc...
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    I understand what you're saying, but I'm a little concerned about how some of this MS "Trusted Platform" Paladium crap may be embedded in the hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyN
    I've heard all this "by the time X windows is out I'll be running linux x flavor" but in the end we are all bill gates' whores.... sorry but true
    The people that actually pay for the software might be....



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    Quote Originally Posted by stevieg
    The other point of leaving 2000 is it's now unsupported by Microsoft - not surprising seeing as it's over 5 years old now. Luckily they are still providing critical security patches - but I certainly wouldn't like to do a fresh install and apply everything post SP4!
    I always install windows 2000 on the computers at the place I volunteer at. Those computers would not run well with windows XP. Plus its better to have the whole network running on win2k IMO

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    all i have to say about this is that i will be handing out free kicks in the balls for anyone that is dumb enough to buy this......
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbochris
    I understand what you're saying, but I'm a little concerned about how some of this MS "Trusted Platform" Paladium crap may be embedded in the hardware.
    You think Dell or any other major corporation that had a wrather large market share would let that happen? What about the Linux community and the corporations that run Linux flavors? not gunna happen. If I am wrong, I'll admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markland556
    all i have to say about this is that i will be handing out free kicks in the balls for anyone that is dumb enough to buy this......
    Would you have said the same about the OS your running now?
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