Fastest bboting front end?

**tripzero** · 09-18-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rezern

It will be either an windows or an linux based build, all depends on what boots the fastest.
I know linux might not be as user friendly as for instance a windows based front end, but thats not a big problem.I think it all comes down to what you're used to.
If I should end up with a linux based front end I would like to have all set up for me, as I'm not as comfortably with setting up and tweaking it as for now.
I must ad that I have been looking for LinuxICE for a while now, and me like

Haven't really found some good data on how long it takes to boot, guess it's just me that's not good in searching.

There are no officially recorded boot times for LinuxICE yet. From my daily experience on my Atom, I would say that it boots in ~15-20s. I'll have to put some official benchmarks together though. The cool thing is that once the desktop is up, it's ready to rock. The frontend (nGhost) *is* the desktop.

**Rezern** · 09-18-2009, 02:50 PM

15-20 secs cold boot is really promising, so since i already like LinuxICE I now don't anything holding me back from using that in my carputer

I have been running LInuxICE on a virtual machine just to see how it was, but couldn't determinate how fast it was.
But I really like the feature of it being ready to use when screen splashes up

**nobb** · 09-18-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by kev000

I would have said "does not have the wealth of plugins available for windows programs". The OpenICE interface is too simple to not understand. The issues most people have are the current bugs and implementing the workarounds because the workarounds often assume you have basic familiarity with a unix command line shell.

Unless you have experience with Linux, I cannot recommend using LinuxICE until it goes final. The latest daily-live (9-17) is really close, but even then, I would wait until LinuxICE 2.0 Final to be finished for a truly awesome and fast user experience. You are always welcome to test it out and make suggestions though

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200ms for OpenMobile is fast! I don't think nGhost is as fast to start, but it's definitely sub 1s. RevFE is probably close in there as well.

How does the install and ease of use of OpenICE compare to other Linux solutions (figure Id ask you since you seem like somewhat of a linux fan

)? The reason why I (and probably many others) would be very hesitant to try out a linux based system is just because of the familiarity to windows. The interface of a linux based front end might be simple, but to install it and to get everything working initially seems to be a pain in the ***. Whereas with something like windows 7, you just follow the instructions, install it and go. Linux seems that you need to do a whole whack of research and searching to accomplish anything.

And if a linux front end takes around 20 - 30s to load up, then that seems very comparable to a windows system that just hibernates.

**Machinehead** · 09-18-2009, 03:31 PM

I am a Windows person but I've toyed with Ubuntu. Not necessarily a front end per se but it's Linux. It's as easy to get up and running as Windows 7. I couldn't get my middle mouse roller/button working but other than that everything else worked.

It's still Linux though, which means it's fairly useless for my needs. But as least I can say I tried it.

**malcom2073** · 09-18-2009, 03:36 PM

Ubuntu is one of the easiest Linux distros to get in to for windows users, that is true. It's really easy and straightforward to set up and not entirely difficult to use if you read the start-up guides.

On the other hand, there is a serious lack of Linux frontends... nGhost being one of the only ones. RevFE is Linux compatable, but is not officially supported with binary releases yet.

To be honest, unless you are looking to tinker and learn a new operating system, you should probably stick with Windows (as much as I hate to say it), and run RevFE which is really really fast (as much as I love to say it). That being said, LinuxICE is making leaps and bounds in the way of a one touch and go operating system/frontend, so you should definitely check it out before making any decisions

**Rezern** · 09-18-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm not really a linux fan, but have liked what I've seen on ICE:P
Have also the option of installing a micro xp version and adding an front end, don't know if this will be any faster/beter.?
Also are aware of the risk of not getting things to work straight away, and since I can't do anything regarding error fixing and stuff on linux I would probably end up installing an XP front end if any major errors occur.
But if the linux system would install flawless and I could save 10s on boot, I would go for the linux.

**Punky** · 09-18-2009, 04:13 PM

At the rate of development that i've been seeing with LinuxICE, I can see it being a real alternative to windows FE in the coming future.
I also noticed that Kev works as hard at promoting the software, and encouraging other developers as well.
My only suggestion would be to polish up LinuxICE's UI, to look nicer! that'll always bring more users and developers. Right now it looks really dull in my opinion.
Linux has many desired features for carpc uses. One the ability to rip and tear the entired os to costumized at the operator's technical skills. Two usb booting. Plus many others!

**tripzero** · 09-18-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by nobb

How does the install and ease of use of OpenICE compare to other Linux solutions (figure Id ask you since you seem like somewhat of a linux fan

)? The reason why I (and probably many others) would be very hesitant to try out a linux based system is just because of the familiarity to windows. The interface of a linux based front end might be simple, but to install it and to get everything working initially seems to be a pain in the ***. Whereas with something like windows 7, you just follow the instructions, install it and go. Linux seems that you need to do a whole whack of research and searching to accomplish anything.

And if a linux front end takes around 20 - 30s to load up, then that seems very comparable to a windows system that just hibernates.

Back in the linuxice 1.0beta days, I had my slow epia carpc resuming from hibernate in < 11s. Kantlivelong's gentoo install running just nghost cold boots in about that fast. It would usually be on before my screen would warm up enough to see anything :P.

Linux can hybrid suspend also (suspend + hibernate). However, that isn't currently one of the LinuxICE features, so you'll have to configure it yourself.

The LinuxICE install is roughly the same as Ubuntu except it will require 2 extra steps. Here's the outline:

1 - Run install
2 - run ice configure (enables autologin among other things)
3 - run icetouch to install/calibrate your touchscreen.

The current LinuxICE2 builds have 2 major defects: 1 - sound isn't working, and 2 - there is no UI for wifi management. So like mal|com2973 said, unless you like tweaking and learning a new OS, LinuxICE may not be for you *yet*. Wait until we get the bugs worked out.

**RipplingHurst** · 09-18-2009, 06:12 PM

Answer to the question:

NOT Centrafuse. (it's slower than XP itself, depending on the playlist size that it was playing, the GPS, no. of plugins, etc.)

**justchat_1** · 09-18-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by malcom2073

Ubuntu is one of the easiest Linux distros to get in to for windows users, that is true. It's really easy and straightforward to set up and not entirely difficult to use if you read the start-up guides.

On the other hand, there is a serious lack of Linux frontends... nGhost being one of the only ones. RevFE is Linux compatable, but is not officially supported with binary releases yet.

To be honest, unless you are looking to tinker and learn a new operating system, you should probably stick with Windows (as much as I hate to say it), and run RevFE which is really really fast (as much as I love to say it). That being said, LinuxICE is making leaps and bounds in the way of a one touch and go operating system/frontend, so you should definitely check it out before making any decisions

Hey what happened to a plug for Open Mobile :P

For anyone else reading....Open Mobile can currently run on Linux, Windows or Mac - all with the same release (thanks to mono).