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    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    How many times have you seen "what would you like added to SD?", or "How can we make the features better" while ignoring the bugs.
    That sounds like absolute nonsense to me! I don't remember that SD has asked us for input anytime! Rather we had really to beg them to change or improve some parts of the UI. And we were overhappy, if they fullfilled only half of our wishes and this only halfhearted. In this point SD was always a miracle to me.

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    Think if they stopped to fix every bug rather than work on major functions they would be in the position they are in?
    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    "How can we make the features better" while ignoring the bugs.
    How does this match? Was the trick of SD to work on bugs or on features? IMHO to work on features. But they have stated several times "we won't release a fully tested update!" "First we have to be sure its bugfree.., before we improve features"... and there were no new features for a year, except the small but important media overhault in summer.

    I really hope next week will something major happen and the hole situation will be more transparent and turn out all right for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmedia View Post
    "Seems for me we are mainly beta testers for free and something like a stepchild"

    replace "for free" with for a fee, and insert "bastard" before stepchild...

    that sums my feeling on this. I and many others are willing to help on this forum, but we would like input and feedback from SD.
    You are right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    What does it prove? Carputers, with the release of Sync, are no longer a hobby, they will be a billion dollar business and companies that want to continue the "hobby" will be trampled over and left for dead. Said that a long time ago, and Microsoft, Intel, and Garmin? They don't deal in "hobbies".
    Sync is not a carputer. Sync is more or less a "device" similar to any closed-box Garmin or TomTom product that you can buy...Sync is just offered by the manufacturer built into the dash from the factory. You can't customize Sync or run any other programs on the hardware.

    The average consumer can barely keep their home PC virus free and stable, so I don't see that large a market in offering a car PC to the general public. One of the most attractive features of SD in fact, is that it more closely replicates a "factory" or OEM navigation system than any other product on the market. It is intended to be a complete solution that works out of the box, without hours of additional installation/troubleshooting/customization time on the part of the end user...many of our frustrations with SD are because it doesn't work as intended in the real world with the reliability of a factory nav system.

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    Pardon me, my mistake.

    The voice recognition SOFTWARE driving sync, a version of Windows mobile, along with the bluetooth SOFTWARE driving sync, also microsoft, would be an extreme force when mixed with SD.

    And stability? Put the right people behind anything and it will work. Wasn't too long ago, no one thought that "everyone" could have a computer as they were too technical. Now grandma and grandpa are uploading to youtube like pro's.

    Yeah, it's a great hobby, making this stuff work in a car, but if they truly aren't going for this market, then who, exactly, is the G4 made for? A complete system to just throw in a car? Where's the hobby in that? No, G4 is just another step in the evolution. Time when only some people had electricity, cars, phones, computers, etc. etc. and all because they were too complicated or costly for the general public.

    Car computers will be as stable as your electricity, your phone, your car. Sync was a test of the market. Would people go for it?

    It's coming. It has to. It's the next great frontier.
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    And we're not talking carputer in the sense that we are used to it. We are talking magic black box like the current navigation systems, car dvd systems, or that high end head unit it will replace. SS hard drives were the final step and made it not likely, but a sure thing. And I didn't say that SD would survive in it's current condition. It will be "locked up" with only items the manufacturer WANTS you to be able to change.

    Is it something the general public would want?

    Everyone that has seen mine wants one, and I've had it what, 6 months? I'll never be without one. Not because it was a hobby, not because it's fun (although that is a big part of it), but because in my work, I travel constantly, and having my entire office, along with all my entertainment right in the dash is a godsend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxh81 View Post
    That sounds like absolute nonsense to me! I don't remember that SD has asked us for input anytime! Rather we had really to beg them to change or improve some parts of the UI. And we were overhappy, if they fullfilled only half of our wishes and this only halfhearted. In this point SD was always a miracle to me.
    Don't go back a few weeks, or even a few months. Go back a year, maybe more. You will find requests for streetdeck functions......
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    Streetdeck? 2 Pages with history back to 3/7/2008
    Maybe your forum preferences are set wrong...I see 54 pages of posts all the way back to January off 2006, with one of the first being GoC's announcement of SD.

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    Why would I show the entire history of every other front end? hmmmmm
    I'll have to check. If you have them, great, go back quite a ways there is a call for streetdeck functions.

    No, nothing set wierd. Do you show the same for RR and CF that I do? Does everyone else show 54 pages? But to be fair, I have removed that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielkh View Post
    And we're not talking carputer in the sense that we are used to it. We are talking magic black box like the current navigation systems, car dvd systems, or that high end head unit it will replace. SS hard drives were the final step and made it not likely, but a sure thing. And I didn't say that SD would survive in it's current condition. It will be "locked up" with only items the manufacturer WANTS you to be able to change.

    Is it something the general public would want?
    Probably, but that's not a car computer. That's a "magic black box" with functions defined by the manufacturer.

    I don't think you need to prove the point that users want advanced multimedia functionality in their dash - the existence of and market for the products you mention above are proof enough.

    But, I do think you are misusing "car computer" or "carputer"...all of the commercial products you mention are car computers in the strictest sense of the phrase, but they are closed systems. I think carputer implies a computer with an mainstream (even Linux) OS on which the end-user can load and run software of their own choosing. So, if SD evolves to being the nonconfigurable software that's run on a "closed system" then, in my mind, that closed system is no longer a carputer. I don't disagree that this is the direction SD will have to head if it wants to sell to the masses, I just don't think that the end product should still be termed a "carputer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    But, I do think you are misusing "car computer" or "carputer"...all of the commercial products you mention are car computers in the strictest sense of the phrase, but they are closed systems.

    Ok, my bad, I'll give you that one. I agree with you, but what we are talking about is the software going somewhere else, not the carputer. What I expect to happen is something like the G4, except it won't be windows based as we know it. I'm guessing an operating system will be built around it.

    You have to admit that Microsoft bit the big one on Vista, meaning they got out of touch with their consumers. Building a Mac clone for windows users was about as good an idea as a minivan for the amish.

    Here we have something that we helped build. Something that was designed around the user. And what SD lacks, they already are the best at. Just seems to me a no brainer that MS would want SD. You think.....in all this forum, how many people complain about the overall functionality? Most are complaining that the functions don't work.

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