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    i've tried both and there are many ups and downs to both and we can argue about them all day long as you can do with ***ANY*** product for sale that has competition. BOTH are GREAT peices of software, you just need to pick which one works best for you with what you have, and also what you need.
    This is what you need to do:
    1) Find out what you need, ex: what type of nav, bluetooth, phone integration, teathering, movies, plugins (big one), load times, etc...
    2) Try both peices of software out
    3) Figure out which one works better with what you are looking for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin22 View Post
    i've tried both and there are many ups and downs to both and we can argue about them all day long as you can do with ***ANY*** product for sale that has competition. BOTH are GREAT peices of software, you just need to pick which one works best for you with what you have, and also what you need.
    This is what you need to do:
    1) Find out what you need, ex: what type of nav, bluetooth, phone integration, teathering, movies, plugins (big one), load times, etc...
    2) Try both peices of software out
    3) Figure out which one works better with what you are looking for
    This is true.
    Test both, they each have free trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin22 View Post
    i've tried both and there are many ups and downs to both and we can argue about them all day long as you can do with ***ANY*** product for sale that has competition.
    This is true...and the OP should try out both pieces of software. However, what he won't get from the trial is something that is being talked about on here; support.

    It's a simple truth that Street Deck support literally disappeared for something like a year. If you got the software working on your own with your hardware setup...great. If not...too bad.

    It's also true that FluxMedia tends to support "the next product". Right now, they're hard at work on CF 3.0...which is great and all, but EVERYONE (since CF 3.0 isn't available for download, even as a Beta) is still using CF 2. Unfortunately, when posting about suggestions and bugs on CF 2...we're getting the standard company line of "That will be fixed in CF 3.0".

    These are the kinds of things you won't learn from using a trial of the software. Only those of us who actually use the software...and try to get support for that software...can give real insight into this part of the experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bxsteez View Post
    I'm a fan of CF but i do wish it had the pretty factor of SD. I WILL NOT sacrifice functionality for looks. I'm anxiously waiting for CF3.0. I really hate it when developers mention releases of new versions of software and then make u wait for months!! I want it now lol.. Anyway I probably won't switch to SD2 but i will try it just cause it looks cool
    Now you know what I am going to say right? LOL, thats a easy fix, make a SD skin for CF, problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habious View Post
    This is true...and the OP should try out both pieces of software. However, what he won't get from the trial is something that is being talked about on here; support.

    It's a simple truth that Street Deck support literally disappeared for something like a year. If you got the software working on your own with your hardware setup...great. If not...too bad.

    It's also true that FluxMedia tends to support "the next product". Right now, they're hard at work on CF 3.0...which is great and all, but EVERYONE (since CF 3.0 isn't available for download, even as a Beta) is still using CF 2. Unfortunately, when posting about suggestions and bugs on CF 2...we're getting the standard company line of "That will be fixed in CF 3.0".

    These are the kinds of things you won't learn from using a trial of the software. Only those of us who actually use the software...and try to get support for that software...can give real insight into this part of the experience.
    The phone issue was mainly the problem with CF2. Alot of the other issues, like with HD Radio are machine specific. CF2 works flawlessly for me now, except for the rear control enhancements, which was moved to CF3, I think CF 3.1, once 3.0 is known to work. CF3 is really getting close, BETA testers are already testing and suggesting fixes. I think with most software companies they have the means to have 2 different departments to support different versions of a software. FLUX doesn't have that luxury, they are a relatively small company. So I understand what they are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    The phone issue was mainly the problem with CF2. Alot of the other issues, like with HD Radio are machine specific. CF2 works flawlessly for me now, except for the rear control enhancements, which was moved to CF3, I think CF 3.1, once 3.0 is known to work. CF3 is really getting close, BETA testers are already testing and suggesting fixes. I think with most software companies they have the means to have 2 different departments to support different versions of a software. FLUX doesn't have that luxury, they are a relatively small company. So I understand what they are doing.
    I've had "focus" issues with CD since the 1.47 days (I use a Space Navigator controller which issues keyboard shortcut commands). You select the Sat Radio and it will SOMETIMES go to sat radio with the focus on the window with the channels, so you can scroll through the channel list...and sometimes it wont (I have to hit TAB, TAB to get it over to the right window). It sometimes does this on the mp3 list as well.

    I've reported this bug every time I've found it. I'm always told "Got it...it'll be fixed in the next version!"...and it's fixed...and then pops up again somewhere else.

    There are numerous voice-command issues (yes, I know about some issues being a fundamental limitation of the MS Speech engine...and this is "fixed" in CF3). There are some commands that are supposed to work...but simply don't (You cannot call up the "Sat Radio" or the "Weather" plug-in via voice-command...even though you're supposed to be able to do this). The answer I've gotten is "This will be fixed in CF3".

    And, I do understand WHY they do things the way they do. You're right, they're a small company with limited resources. They have to focus their energy where it will do the most good. They're not going to make money fixing bugs in last-year's software...they're going to make money by getting CF3.0 in saleable condition as soon as possible.

    Understanding this doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

    That being said, I chose CF (and don't regret the decision) because I still think it's the best solution out there for my needs...and there IS a support structure in place.

    And, to be clear, CF3.0 is a PAY upgrade so, in order to get the features that were SUPPOSED to work on CF 2.0...I have to pay (again) to get 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habious View Post
    I've had "focus" issues with CD since the 1.47 days (I use a Space Navigator controller which issues keyboard shortcut commands). You select the Sat Radio and it will SOMETIMES go to sat radio with the focus on the window with the channels, so you can scroll through the channel list...and sometimes it wont (I have to hit TAB, TAB to get it over to the right window). It sometimes does this on the mp3 list as well.

    I've reported this bug every time I've found it. I'm always told "Got it...it'll be fixed in the next version!"...and it's fixed...and then pops up again somewhere else.

    There are numerous voice-command issues (yes, I know about some issues being a fundamental limitation of the MS Speech engine...and this is "fixed" in CF3). There are some commands that are supposed to work...but simply don't (You cannot call up the "Sat Radio" or the "Weather" plug-in via voice-command...even though you're supposed to be able to do this). The answer I've gotten is "This will be fixed in CF3".

    And, I do understand WHY they do things the way they do. You're right, they're a small company with limited resources. They have to focus their energy where it will do the most good. They're not going to make money fixing bugs in last-year's software...they're going to make money by getting CF3.0 in saleable condition as soon as possible.

    Understanding this doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

    That being said, I chose CF (and don't regret the decision) because I still think it's the best solution out there for my needs...and there IS a support structure in place.

    And, to be clear, CF3.0 is a PAY upgrade so, in order to get the features that were SUPPOSED to work on CF 2.0...I have to pay (again) to get 3.0.
    Now that you have told me the problems, let me contact FLUX directly and see what they can do. I honestly think that sometimes users do fall through the cracks, and you happen to be one of them. FLUX isn't 100% on internal communication, or at least use to be, so although one said it will be fixed, it maybe wasn't brought up to the person that can fix it? Who knows, but I will ask them. As for the upgrade, it is pay, but its a very modest fee, not sure what it is though, but they say it wont empty out peoples pockets. The reason CF2 was a free upgrade for CF1 users was mainly because Phonco was discontinued and no longer supported. Thats left CF1 missing a promised main feature. So to be fair, they allowed people to upgrade for free. Now almost every feature in CF2 is still working, so now we have to pay to upgrade, which I think is fair. I will email them today and see if they respond. I do know they are heavy BETA testing so there is a chance they will not get back to me in a timely manner, but I will try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    Now that you have told me the problems, let me contact FLUX directly and see what they can do. I honestly think that sometimes users do fall through the cracks, and you happen to be one of them. FLUX isn't 100% on internal communication, or at least use to be, so although one said it will be fixed, it maybe wasn't brought up to the person that can fix it? Who knows, but I will ask them. As for the upgrade, it is pay, but its a very modest fee, not sure what it is though, but they say it wont empty out peoples pockets. The reason CF2 was a free upgrade for CF1 users was mainly because Phonco was discontinued and no longer supported. Thats left CF1 missing a promised main feature. So to be fair, they allowed people to upgrade for free. Now almost every feature in CF2 is still working, so now we have to pay to upgrade, which I think is fair. I will email them today and see if they respond. I do know they are heavy BETA testing so there is a chance they will not get back to me in a timely manner, but I will try.

    Thanks.

    I do want to clarify; I wasn't trying to say that I think CF is a "bad" product...or that FluxMedia is some "evil corporation"...or even that the OP should go with SD...I just wanted to give them some insight into what can/does happen.

    With either one of these products...if you can get it up and running, doing what YOU want to do with it...you're golden.

    I'm willing to bet that I'm going to end up upgrading to 3.0 no matter what. And, you're right, it's a modest fee for existing 2.0 users (I kind-of think maybe in the $50.00 range...but don't quote me).

    I don't know the details, but if the OP was to purchase CF right now...could they buy a license for 3.0? Or would they have to buy 2.0...knowing that it's basically no-longer supported and that they're going to have to pay again in the very-near future to get a supported product?

    Personally, even with the (understandable) flaws in FluxMedia's system, I'd take Centrafuse over StreetDeck any day. That whole falling-off-the-face-of-the-earth-for-a-year-and-leaving-their-customers-out-to-dry is just inexcusable, in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habious View Post
    Thanks.

    I do want to clarify; I wasn't trying to say that I think CF is a "bad" product...or that FluxMedia is some "evil corporation"...or even that the OP should go with SD...I just wanted to give them some insight into what can/does happen.

    With either one of these products...if you can get it up and running, doing what YOU want to do with it...you're golden.

    I'm willing to bet that I'm going to end up upgrading to 3.0 no matter what. And, you're right, it's a modest fee for existing 2.0 users (I kind-of think maybe in the $50.00 range...but don't quote me).

    I don't know the details, but if the OP was to purchase CF right now...could they buy a license for 3.0? Or would they have to buy 2.0...knowing that it's basically no-longer supported and that they're going to have to pay again in the very-near future to get a supported product?

    Personally, even with the (understandable) flaws in FluxMedia's system, I'd take Centrafuse over StreetDeck any day. That whole falling-off-the-face-of-the-earth-for-a-year-and-leaving-their-customers-out-to-dry is just inexcusable, in my book.
    I do know that they are having the Stimulus sale..... So to get the non Nav version, its like $62.50 for standard. So then I think we should estimate that the upgrade fee, may be similar (its a estimate made by me, so don't assume, lol) to about $62.50 without Nav. So thats $125.00 which would actually break him even. He would pay half price for each equaling 1 full copy. Now if he wants the nav version (which is a big mistake) then it would run about $125.00 with the stimulas sale, but his best bet, is use the new NAV embeding feature in CF3 and use iGuaidance or any other.
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    Streetdeck has been proven to be the correct frontend for me I tried CF 1 and 2 and didn't like either 1, I didn't like the gui and it loaded dreadfully slow. But thats just me, to each his own Streetdeck is excellent for me but it may not be for other people.

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