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    Tried the program out on the road some today. I'll email the log files since I don't want to post my location of my house to the world

    Some things I noticed though.

    * It tries to route you the wrong way down oneway streets.
    * I got a kick out of the text to speech. Is there some way to make it pronounce the street names correctly based upon the country your in?
    * on the rotating map. I couldn't get it to rotate in full screen view. It would only rotate the map when the screen had that transparent blue bar at the bottom.
    * Same deal with the 45 degree angle view. I could only enter the 45 degree angle view when the blue bar was shown at the bottom. When I went into full screen mode it changed the view to bird's eye automatically. This could just be me not knowing how to work it though.
    * It would be cool if there was an Add POI button. So if your driving along and see someplace you plan on returning you hit the Add POI button and it's added to your favorites.
    * can we get a version without the "Demo Mode" in the middle of the map? It's going to turn off in 15 min anyway so I'd like to be able to see it clearly till then.

    EDIT: forgot to say, someone above said it required the NA version of MapPoint. It doesn't. I only have the Europen version installed on my pc.

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    The blue bar on the bottom shows routing and other information and is there whenever your not browsing the map. If you don't like it, you can make your own skin that doesn't include it.

    We are currently only supporting english so there may be issues with saying names from non-english speaking countries at this point.

    Routing is a map data... Mappoint Europe 2006 should have vastly superior european maps from what I hear...

    Another new exe has been uploaded:
    http://www.streetdeck.com/update/sd_europe.zip

    This version reset teh demo timeout so if you had problems, it will give you another try. It didn't fix anything about it though as I don't know what the problem is. Make sure you are logged in as an administrator the first time you run the new exe. If it still times out immediatly, it will log the exact reason why so send me the new log for it.

    This exe also adds a -GPSBaud command line parameter to connect to the GPS at a specific baud rate. To use run "StreetDeck.exe -GPSBaud:38400" where 38400 is the baud rate you want to run at.

    The address should be found if you just enter a street number and name, country, state, etc. are all optional, but will narrow the results. You should at a minimum enter a state as well as a street to get decently correct results. If this still doesn't work right, e-mail me the addresses you are trying to look up.
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    Second time check & corrections to first results

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post

    ...
    Searching for address:
    Destination type "Address"
    • most of the times displays "No locations could be found..." when looking-up an address
    • in rare case when it find something it appears to be overseas US location, with some ridiculous mileage (like 1012.9 mi) (might be no GPS fix)
    Sorry, Chuck - please accept my apologies:
    have just double checked - looks like "this is not entirely accurate" :
    • false overseas addresses - could not reproduce this behaviour anymore (might be "first-run syndrome")
    • village name that it could not find - it actually finds it if village name is specified along with street name
      original MapPoint framework exposes the same behaviour, thus it is not a StreetDeck problem but rather lack of integrity in MapPoint database

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    Quote Originally Posted by god_of_cpu View Post
    ...This exe also adds a -GPSBaud command line parameter to connect to the GPS at a specific baud rate. To use run "StreetDeck.exe -GPSBaud:38400" where 38400 is the baud rate you want to run at.
    Chuck you are GREAT!!! Thank you very much! I will test it immediately with my specific GPS baud rate! (unfortunately I just went from job and I could have tested it live on the road, maybe I will do an extra trip tonight to test it )

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    Thumbs up My first working test results

    I have finally got it working!!! thanks to the new command line parameter "-GPSBaud:38400"!!

    Installation:
    • PC
      • Windows XP Pro with SP2 (en)
      • MapPoint Europe 2004
      • GPS device: GNS9830 RDS/TMC from www.gns-gmbh.de
    • Streetdeck (SD)
      • 1.0.5.4
      • sd_europe.zip (2nd version from Chuck)
      • back to "30 days left"


    Chuck: I will send you an email with logs, gps logs and pictures to be complete...

    First run:
    I used, as stated above, the -GPSBaud:38400 command line parameter in order to correctly open the serial port. I opened the navigation window and I saw my current location (picture.png)!! I clicked on the "earth" button and I got almost full reception with correct coordinates and altitude (picture (6).png). Then I decided continuing testing (it was 1 am)...

    I did 4 tests:

    1. Searching for my home and work addresses
      I went to the "Create Route->Address" panel. The "State" field was already filled with the correct state I'm living in. I entered the name of my home street and searched for it. It didn't find anything "No location could be found..." (picture (3).png). I erased the state field and tried again looking for my street... same result (picture (5).png). I decided to separately open mappoint and did the same search. Mappoint found my street with same criteria (picture (4).png). I did the same with my work address... also not found although mappoint found it. Then I clicked on the map in "Browse" mode in order to be able to set my "home" location. I got coordinates from mappoint for my work address and set them into SD. I created 2 routes (one "Shortest Time" (picture (7).png), one "Shortest Dist." (picture (8).png) between these two locations. Created routes were not the one I usually use which is in time the shortest because I think that mappoint does not take into account very low speed limitation such as 30km/h and there is a lot of these in mappoint choosen routes). I decided to use the "Shortest in Time" for following tests...
    2. Driving from home to my work
      I started driving and didn't really follow the calculated route... SD did automatically the recalculation! and it was correct! I was impressed!! I continued driving and went stuck to a traffic light (picture (9).png). After the traffic light went green, I opened "GPS Stats" panel and had a look at what was written. The speed matched what my car displayed to me and... 15 minutes were already gone... then I restarted SD for next test...
    3. Driving back home
      I recreated a route by selecting "Home" in "Create Route" panel. SD calculated the route and showed me the exact one as above but reversed (picture (10).png). This was working without any problem.
    4. Driving faaassssttt
      I wanted to test the refresh rate of the position. Then I drove on a unlimited speed highway to see whether the error I remarked while driving "normally" can be even worse while driving very fast. I was able to reach about 240km/h and remarked that at this speed there is an error of about 300-400 meters, which can be confusing if you have several highway exits. Otherwise it was fun seeing SD showing my position at this speed.


    It was 2 am...

    Small bugs:
    1. Certain specific german letters were simply not displayed (for example for street names). Such as "".
    2. Either mappoint has the problem or SD or GPS (not me), but sometimes I'm driving off roads (Is there some calibration/correction to be done?)
    3. The navigation panel showed me once incorrect right part of the map, lines were simply drawn from the middle till the right.
    4. Real current location isn't shown immediately and the error seems to be dependent on the speed you are driving. (GPS refresh rate? PC too slow?).


    Bug:
    1. Searching for addresses does not work. Sometimes it jumps to England instead of Germany.


    Conclusion:

    Apart of the bug mentionned above concerning address search, I found SD working very well. I was impressed seeing finally it in live with european maps.

    Next test steps:
    1. Driving thru german-switzerland border to see whether it won't be confused (will be a little bit difficult getting thru the border in 15 minutes... but I will see...)
    2. Doing bigger rerouting (if possible).
    3. Adding waypoints.
    4. While driving, finding nearest hotel.
    5. Any requests from Chuck of course


    Now it's 3:30 am...

    Have fun,
    Teranga

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    There is a bit of a delay with GPS smoothing on. If you turn this off in navigation settings it make the GPS more accurate, but choppier.

    If the GPS is off the roads signal, it is probably your GPS signal or the underlying mapping data.

    StreetDeck doesn't yet support Unicode characters, but will at some future date.
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    Lightbulb En-route test

    Prerequisites
    StreetDeck: ver. 1.0.5.4 with StreetDeck.exe updated from sd_europe.zip
    MapPoint: 2004 Europe, French edition
    GPS sensor: Holux GM-210 USB receiver @ 4800 baud (unfortunately that's the only rate it works at )
    Weather: heavy clouds and constant raining
    In-car nav: Alpine NVE-N055PV

    This morning I've tried to test SD on the route to my office.
    The road itself is quite curved (image, data) and weather conditions resulted in frequent losses of GPS fix (despite the fact that my in-car nav displayed at least 4 satellites - actually, when in-car sat count was below 6-7, Holux has been losing everything at all).

    Sorry for no pictures and/or video but it's quite difficult to make them at appropriate moments while driving

    • position is often off-road even with strong GPS signal and smooting turned off
    • if car turns at crossings, position often moves straight forward, then detects turn, reroutes and proceeds
    • ...


    differences of in-car nav from my setup:
    • most of them have "stick to the road" and, specially, "stick to the route" behavior
    • inertial subunit that detects immediate turns, de- and accelerations and provides coordinates without GPS signal
    • stronger antenna sensitivity


    Possible resolutions:
    • use faster GPS unit connection
    • use GPS units with inertial subsystem (quite rare and expensive at the moment)
    • implement "stick to the road" mapping engine behaviour (is it possible with MapPoint? might eat-up CPU but definitely adds more usability)
      from my driving experience it might be not so big concern in US, but in Europe it is much more complex


    will pray for good weather (for better GPS reception) and continue tests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushems View Post
    (snip)* I got a kick out of the text to speech. Is there some way to make it pronounce the street names correctly based upon the country your in?
    You think you've got problems! I live in Wales, and no speech synthesiser will cope with the pronunciations. But I'm prepared to live with it - my wife can't speak the language (yet, I'm working on that), why should I expect my PC to?!

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    Tried Street deck out again today with the latest exe. I ran into a problem when the 15 min trial was over and it automatically closed the program. The screen went blank. I could see the mouse pointer and move the mouse pointer around but it looked like street deck got stuck halfway through closing. CTRL+ALT+Del and stopping street deck stopped the problem.

    Also ran into a problem with resuming routes. I'd open street deck and it would ask me if I wanted to resume my previous route. If I clicked yes the program would lockup. If I clicked no I could go back to navigation and recreate the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crushems
    Also ran into a problem with resuming routes. I'd open street deck and it would ask me if I wanted to resume my previous route. If I clicked yes the program would lockup. If I clicked no I could go back to navigation and recreate the route.
    Don't get this - maybe it's waiting for the GPS to initialise?

    When using Virtual Earth mode, the roads in Mappoint don't match up with the roads on the satellite image. This means that planned routes go cross country with no roads (see attachment)...

    I'd also like to see (if possible) address search by postcode. Mappoint already does this, so I don't think it would be too much trouble to add. Searching by postcode is so much easier than having to worry about typing in full addresses. Every UK GPS does it, so not having it would be a major disadvantage to getting StreetDeck into the UK market.
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