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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrydoc View Post
    You can not use you version of Microsoft Maps with SD. SD uses the Maps differently. Someone else could explain that better.
    Actually, you can use you your version of Microsoft Maps, as long as that version is Mappoint 2006. I *obtained* a copy of MS Mappoint 2006 (1.3 gig, by the way) so that I could evaluate the nav function of StreetDeck before I decided to purchase it. In another thread within this forum, someone (I believe the SD developer himself), stated that SD doesn't really include Mappoint 2006, JUST the mapdata...thus explaining their ability to offer the data with SD for $199 total when Mappoint is a $269 program if purchased retail.

    Quote Originally Posted by showson1 View Post
    I just looked at the skin editor tutorial video and I'm starting to see more what the price point is all about.. plus I'm sure the licensing for the maps and such is a killer..
    The integreated skin editor is a fantastic reason to buy the program, in my opinion...and since it has been built in since the beginning, it works very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    The only reason I can see to buy it is if you want to support the mp3car store, or you would rather have someone else do the fun than yourself.
    That depends on your definition of "fun" I guess. My definition of "fun" is not endlessly tinkering with my computer's config...it is enjoying the end result of a working, reliable, car entertainment system. Since SD includes a skin editor, the only "fun" someone is really missing is the work it requires to download, install, and configure the ancillary components that a "free" frontend provides.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Frontends are free. Very well supported, constantly updated, easily uopgradeable and plugins to the source. Streetdeck has active protection against decompilers I believe so you are out of luck.
    Well, they're sort of free...after all, one's time is worth something, and if a "free" frontend requires 8 or 10 hours of setup work to be functional, that's an opportunity cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Also no video while driving.
    Good. You shouldn't watch videos while driving. You're delusional if you think that watching a video doesn't distract you from driving safely.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    No GPS entering while driving. Basically you pay extra to limit the functionality of your CarPC. Only worth it if you would like it handed to you in a shiny package, and aren't really looking for complete CarPC functionality.
    Safety features aren't exactly "limiting functionality" in my opinion. Do you really need to be entering a multiple character address while in motion? That's just not a good idea. I suppose that selling a gun with a safety to prevent accidental firing due to distraction or impulse "limits" the gun's "functionality" in the same way...and really, it's a solid analogy to the distracted operation of an automobile, as a car certainly has the potential to kill (mulitiple innocent people at once, in fact) due to driver inattention or error, and so is designed to be operated with the least distraction to the driver possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    I of course am biased because I am a frugle bastard who will only resort to paying for something if I cannot program it or build it myself.
    Hmmm. Reminds me of the eccentric millionaire who washed and reused his paper towels. ;-) Moderation is the key to life...after all, as Kenny Rogers notes in the gambler, "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, and know when to run."

    Quote Originally Posted by showson1 View Post
    Well that is part of my problem, pay $200 to be a guinei pig / beta tester on a product.

    From what I've read online the software seems to have all kinds of bugs.
    I do give a great deal of credit to the developers, they seem to be right on top of releasing updates and bug fixes.

    I just wish I could get the damn demo to work more than once so I could make an informed decision, rather than relying on other people's postings.
    How is buying a stable, 1.0 version release of a program being a guinea pig anymore than buying a 5.0 version of a program that has incorporated a large new feature set? Both are likely to have some glitches...and I haven't see "all kinds of bugs" mentioned here on the forums...the few bugs mentioned have been relatively specific and minor at best.

    That's my two cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    The integreated skin editor is a fantastic reason to buy the program, in my opinion...and since it has been built in since the beginning, it works very well.
    Can be done with all the other front ends too. Maybe just not as nicely. And to be specific about RoadRunner, there are many people who do beautiful skins both flash based and not, which are all free as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    That depends on your definition of "fun" I guess. My definition of "fun" is not endlessly tinkering with my computer's config...it is enjoying the end result of a working, reliable, car entertainment system.
    True that "fun" is dependant on opinion. My definition is getting it just the way you want by learning what to do. Not just "ooh, this works pretty well... I'll use it. I wish it did _____. Oh well, maybe they'll implement that later.". It is "I'm gonna do _____", and to quote Picard, I "make it so!". I too enjoy the end result but find myself liking the build, configuration, updates, so much, that I am always updating crap, trying new things, pushing the software to the limit, trying to make my epia mobo freeze from my new skin, or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Since SD includes a skin editor, the only "fun" someone is really missing is the work it requires to download, install, and configure the ancillary components that a "free" frontend provides.
    Exactly. I guess for me this would be bad. For you and other similar, a plus I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Well, they're sort of free...after all, one's time is worth something, and if a "free" frontend requires 8 or 10 hours of setup work to be functional, that's an opportunity cost.
    Time is money, and in my case it cost me about 15minutes from clicking the "download" button on guino's site (RoadRunner author), to getting the same functionality of StreetDeck. I then spent about 1-2 hours getting RoadRunner to do everhything including phone support, direct DVD burning, surfing for a cool skin. So that is over and above StreetDeck, so perhaps should not count. I now continuously do stuff to it, not because I need to, just because I want something else to tinker with.


    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Good. You shouldn't watch videos while driving. You're delusional if you think that watching a video doesn't distract you from driving safely.
    Well, no the driver shouldn't. But backseat passengers? I drive up to Ontario, Canada about 3-4 times a year. 1800 miles each way. Takes about 22-24 hours of straight driving each way. Backseat people can watch movies. In Streetdeck, no option to allow it (at least not when I last looked. I think someone requested this to God_Of_CPU before).

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Safety features aren't exactly "limiting functionality" in my opinion.
    To me it is unbearable. It is as if everything is limited because of a less functional subset of the species was unable to figure it out. Instead of letting everyone else do it just fine and safely, they must limit everyone. Insert "spoiled apple/bunch" cliche here.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Do you really need to be entering a multiple character address while in motion?
    No, that's what a passenger is for!

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    That's just not a good idea.
    agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    I suppose that selling a gun with a safety to prevent accidental firing due to distraction or impulse "limits" the gun's "functionality" in the same way...
    Being a passive Canadian, I wish that all guns had a permanent safety. If you really want to collect them, make them non-useable. I see no need for anyone to have an AK47 for "hunting". What the hell are you hunting! Wooly Mammoth?!?!?! That's another topic though.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    and really, it's a solid analogy to the distracted operation of an automobile, as a car certainly has the potential to kill (mulitiple innocent people at once, in fact) due to driver inattention or error, and so is designed to be operated with the least distraction to the driver possible.
    I wouldn't watch movies while driving, nor enter GPS locations, but I would still like the option. Also for someone else in view of the front monitor, should be able to do those things.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    Hmmm. Reminds me of the eccentric millionaire who washed and reused his paper towels. ;-)
    Doesn't everyone re-use paper towels?!

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    How is buying a stable, 1.0 version release of a program being a guinea pig anymore than buying a 5.0 version of a program that has incorporated a large new feature set? Both are likely to have some glitches...and I haven't see "all kinds of bugs" mentioned here on the forums...the few bugs mentioned have been relatively specific and minor at best.
    True. I don't fault StreetDeck for what it is meant to do. For what it was designed to do, it does fairly well for a 1.0version. It is the features that they forgot, refused, or were legally incapable of providing in a commercial product that I dislike.

    The legalities would include the GPS or video while driving. Same reason why US cars cannot be started without the clutch being pushed in. Most people have neough common sense to only start a car when in neutral, or when the clutch is in. Duh. But the few dum-dums who didn't and sued the auto manufacturers in states are the ones who rendered that no good. Being me, I have disabled this "Safety feature" too on my car because I will yell at myself if I happen to start the car in gear, not blame the manufacturer for my mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    That's my two cents...
    I think you have donated a full dollar!

    I donate a looney.


    I think it all comes down to this. If you like the configuration and building aspect of a CarPC, then StreetDeck == BAD. If you like to reap the benefits of the configuration and building yet find no interest in that aspect, then StreetDeck == GOOD.
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    I have used several free front ends. Liked and disliked parts of each. I got tired of having a half-complete feel to my pc and was ready to spend money to be finished. I was going to buy a nav package anyway. I would rather spend my tinkering time using the SD dev environment than trying to reskin a free front end (I suck at graphics).

    Would I say it's worth $200? Maybe... It does everything I'd want it to and I can add anything else via a digimod. $200 is a lot for software though. So far I've gotten what I paid for and SD will only get better (if they listen to the user$). $150 would've been psychologically more satisfying.

    Free software is great but I can complain to someone I paid about something I paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    I think it all comes down to this. If you like the configuration and building aspect of a CarPC, then StreetDeck == BAD. If you like to reap the benefits of the configuration and building yet find no interest in that aspect, then StreetDeck == GOOD.
    Everybody here has designed, built and configured their system. Some just choose to buy a polished and highly customizable front-end.

    2k1Toaster's personal preference == THE ONLY RESPECTABLE WAY.
    time and money spent any other way == A SHORTCUT FOR MORONS.

    If i didn't know better, I'd say you're that guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT555 View Post
    $150 would've been psychologically more satisfying.
    I think that's why it's $199 and not $200.
    Then you people can say it's under $200..

    Thanks to all for the opinions.
    I'm kind of torn because I really like the configurability and expandability of the free front ends, but at the same time I don't really have time to "tinker" anymore.. have an 8 month old at home a and a new job.

    Stuff like inputing GPS and watching videos are not an issue for me. I actually think it's good that you can't.. it's not just because of idiots, just about everyone does stuff like this from time to time.
    Eating while driving, talking on the phone while driving, etc...

    If SD was $100 I'd buy it without a doubt, most likely for $150 but $200... sorry, $199... is a little bit steep for me even though I understand why they set that price point.

    Although I've probably already spent more than $200 worth of time messing with one of the free front ends. Which, if you want to add GPS, aren't really free anyway... yes I know it COULD be gotten for free, but not willing to go that route.

    Oh well, maybe they'll fix this demo issue and I can actually play with it for a while.

    Thanks again all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT555 View Post
    2k1Toaster's personal preference == THE ONLY RESPECTABLE WAY.
    time and money spent any other way == A SHORTCUT FOR MORONS.
    I meant it is nice. meaning if you like the nuts and bolts, then probably go a different route than StreetDeck.

    If you like what the nuts and bolts create but really don't care what goes on inside, then I'd say go for StreetDeck.

    It is all personal preference, and the only thing that I push on people's minds are world values, and not closed minds.

    If I didn't like figuring out how that little 1/3000000000 second blast of voltage turns a pixel from red to green while playing video card rather than make the thing blow up, then I would go streetdeck. It is just not for me.

    If i didn't know better, I'd say you're that guy.
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    I'll just go make maple syrup and live in my igloo fending off polar bears. No sense continuing this seeing as how it will probably be split 0b110010/0b110010
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    What are you talking about no video while driving. You guys must dont know the software. I am using streetdeck and I have over 3000 music videos. I play them and they jump to my back monitor perfectly. I have 3 back monitors also. 2 head rest and a flipdown. NO problem here for me. You just gotta go digging. be as for the front screen. NO video sorry safety reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Being me, I have disabled this "Safety feature" too on my car because I will yell at myself if I happen to start the car in gear, not blame the manufacturer for my mistake.
    That and "Canadian" tells me all I need to know. ;-)

    Nice reply. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by parksgm View Post
    That and "Canadian" tells me all I need to know. ;-)

    Nice reply. :-)
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