all I know is, you get what you pay for. With amps that run with the carputer system, I wanted the best sound quality for the money. Which I use arc audio foose amps which are $750 each. One for the highs and one for the lows. also arc audio subs. which the sound system alone cost $5500 for all parts, no labor. that doesnt include the carputer and parts that go with it.
being a sound engineer by trade, you kind of allow the fact that a car will never sound 'good' .........so that money was spent on a decent house install that sounds 'good'
the physics of a car are all wrong, the shapes, space and materials you deal with are all wrong to even think about spending £stupid on, the quality increase isnt worth the money IMO.
my house install (if you were to pay retail) would top in effect of £10k, money much better spent in a house, where the walls and floor are nice thick and dense materials, the shape is a nice big ol cube, and the sound is easy to make it do what you want to do.
i could build a house install for £250 that would sound better than ANY car install.
sound engineer or not, you are very wrong, a car can be made to sound "good".
yes, it is a challenge, & yes the car itself is a horrible environment to begin with, but I garentee you there are systems out there that if you could just sit in them & listen for a little while, you would change your mind.
& as far as systems cost... I can buy a whole car right now for $600. yeap, whole car... but then there are people who go out & spend $30k, $40k & $50k & more for a car... why would anyone do that if they could buy a car for $600? why would someone spend 50 times that amount for "the same thing", a car? what? there not all the same?... hmmm :)
and to seventynine, if i had your knowlage, a mechanical and electronic engineers knowlage, the money, and the tools n parts, i would do my darndest to prove you wrong. or make that good enough sounding vehical. but thats just me. i like to show that i can do what seems to be un-doable. :yum:
ok, lets keep talking how many paycheck we blew for our car/truckputers and not turn this into a flame.
sorry to go OT, but the basics of it are........thin sheet metal vs big thick walls.........nice big cube vs funny tiny space.........
the principle acoustic issue is that soundwavess hit stuff and reflect (in a cars case, all over the shop and in no order due to it being a funny shape and TINY) or create sympathetic resonance (making the thing they hit become a speaker, in a cars case, very easily even if you stick half an inch of sound deadening pads on every surface) - both of these are going to happen a LOT more than in a room.
those are just in a drop of an ocean of problems you get with car audiom then theres the phase issues with sticking loads of speakers in your car (more than 2 + sub), bass traps, acoustic floors, i could go on.
we all know the car is a bad enviroment for good sound in the first place. You're not telling us anything new here.
You don't want to spend cash on your auto for decent sound, that's okay. You want to spend all you cash on the house, that's okay too.
Just as someone may want to spend all thier money on thier car.
Me? I spend alot of time in my vehicle. I like good sound. Seems to make sense to spend a bit of cash to make my living enviroment more pleasant to be in. There's nothing wrong with pursuing better sound in the car. It's more difficult and it costs more. So what? That's what floats some people's boats........
I like good sound when I'm watching a movie at home. Spent a fair bit of cash to get it. I also spent a fair bit of cash on a 42" plasma.
My point is that's a different application from the vehicle. Apples and oranges.........
Takes all kinds brothers and sisters.
Now, can we please get back to the original topic?
lol, i do spend all my money on my car........
just in the right places :tape:
thatll be the last i post on the subject
greatwhite, well said. seventynine, all the negatives you pointed out about a car install is exactly WHY you need to put a lot into a car stereo to begin with if you DO want great sound.
your priorities are something diferent than the priorities of others, & your ambishions are different from the ambishions of others, no one is here telling you your wasting your time rebuilding a dead beat up car that should be scrapped when you could buy a car that is better in every way, so there is no reason for you to knock others own goals, priorities & ambishions either.
this is not the place to discuss what can & can't be done in car audio, for your views to be gospel then there are many many thousands of people & whole industries built around something that you say is a waste of time..