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    Jetway J9F2-KHDE... What a P.O.S.

    Alrighty, I ordered a Jetway J9F2-KHDE and a T5500 processor (Socket M) with 1Gb of DDR2.

    Well, put it together and nothing. No beeps, no post, no turning on the video card. Nothing.

    So I thought defective CPU or mobo, but no way to test. So I ordered another CPU and made sure it was Socket M by ordering a Core Duo rather than a Core 2 Duo. I ordered a new T2050. Put it in, nothing. Same deal, no post, no beeps, no nothing.

    So I thought defective mobo. I asked for a replacement and when it arrived, put it together, using the T5500 and nothing again. So then I put in the T2050 and nothing again.

    I called Jetway and was told I need to use low density RAM 64x8 which is not in the documentation anywhere. But the stick of Kingston memory was low density and 64x8. But I figured it was the only other thing that could be wrong. So I went to Circuit City, paid $80 for a stick of 512, plugged it in, nothing. Went back to Circuit City, returned it. Ordered a 1Gb stick from their online store for $30 (pretty messed up), picked up in the store a half hour later and tried it, nothing. So I ordered 2 1Gb sticks of 533 instead of 677 this time when they came put them in nothing.

    Still no beeps, no post, no even turning the monitor out of power save mode. So I searched and searched, found a thread on here and someone used Geil memory, posted a model number of the RAM even, so I ordered the exact same RAM. They came today, I put them in, nothing again.

    I then tried the old T2050 in it, and nothing. Tried the old board with both processors again and the new RAM and nothing.

    It seems as if this is the pickiest absolute most horrible board I have ever had the displeasure of buying. The "supported RAM" list is very short, and even then it seems to be a crap shoot.

    Even if it isn't the RAM, 2 D.O.A. boards in a row is a pretty unacceptable failure rate. Both CPUs are fully supported and even the not-so-helpful Jetway phone-tech confirmed that the processor model numbers (SL9USH and SL9BN) are fully compatible.

    So the only option is the motherboard. I have tried the RAM in a different computer and they all work fine. The CPUs were not new, but working OEM pulls. And I am fairly certain it wasn't a P.E.B.C.A.K. error either.

    So long and short of it:
    x2 Motherboards
    x7 Sticks of RAM
    x2 CPU's
    x2 Power Supplies
    x4 FedEx Overnight shipping

    and that equals no working Core 2 Duo CarPC and a hefty bank breaker.

    God I might just go back to a HU...





    j/k

    Even after all this, I dont think I can ever take a HU again. But it does suck to be CarPC-less, and have to continually transfer my laptop to the car. Considering I am in my car about 6.5 hours a day this means laptop with the screen off, so I am limited to random shuffling of my music and basic volume control only... No GPS, No Sirius, no USB peripherals.
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    Man, that sucks.

    I am currently having the same problem with a VIA VB7001. The thing thats weird is that it has been working for a few months and it just suddenly stopped working the other day. I press power button, fan comes on. But no beeps, no POST, no VGA output, nothing.

    I swapped everything I could swap and nothing. I got an RMA from VIA and sent the dang thing back to them yesterday.

    Hopefully they fix it/swap it and get it back to me soon. Having no tunes blows. I only spend about 2 hours a day (a lot less than your 6.5) but it still sucks,

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    Well I deliver food at nighttime as well as a long commute to and from university, so the hours add up for sure!

    I just ordered a MSI Fuzzy board that is basically the same board as the J9F2 with the same chipset, almost same layout, like a clone, so we'll see if it works. I hope it does. Or that would be x3 dead mobos. Maybe I am cursed.
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    21k, you're a real man for all that. You sure gave it a VERY fair try.

    OK, let's all cry together, or if you wish, comiserate.

    I bought the a Via MB in Voom case "Beginner's Special", and after a LOT of back and forth on the phone, and three times shipping back and forth...gave up!

    Fortunately, I am obsessive-compulsive....

    Went with what I know, maybe considering something more carpc-ish in future...

    Check out my specs, but basically, I have a inverter and new Compaq desktop w/ Vista.
    Life is pertty good wit dat, but YES, justa wee bit of inverter whine - generally not heard when muzik starts. Don't care a whit about heat or inefficiency.

    Drilled holes in pc case to mount nice fold-down handle from Parts Express. Shook said case a bit to be sure no metal flakes sneaked through barrier. OOOOOps!

    Re-started pc - you ever hear that horrible metal-on-metal sound of a HD destroying itself? Yep. Am in process of re-ripping about 200 cd's, and re-installing eveything, plus config'g to my likes. Not fun.

    Sometimes do you wonder what it is about the weird disasters of getting a carpc up and running?? I dunno........


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    Wow...fun!

    Now I know what motherboard NOT to buy

    Watch it end up being a jumper setting or something. That kind of stuff happens to me just when I start to think I am a computer building master...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucedog View Post
    21k, you're a real man for all that. You sure gave it a VERY fair try.

    OK, let's all cry together, or if you wish, comiserate.

    I bought the a Via MB in Voom case "Beginner's Special", and after a LOT of back and forth on the phone, and three times shipping back and forth...gave up!

    Fortunately, I am obsessive-compulsive....

    Went with what I know, maybe considering something more carpc-ish in future...

    Check out my specs, but basically, I have a inverter and new Compaq desktop w/ Vista.
    Life is pertty good wit dat, but YES, justa wee bit of inverter whine - generally not heard when muzik starts. Don't care a whit about heat or inefficiency.

    Drilled holes in pc case to mount nice fold-down handle from Parts Express. Shook said case a bit to be sure no metal flakes sneaked through barrier. OOOOOps!

    Re-started pc - you ever hear that horrible metal-on-metal sound of a HD destroying itself? Yep. Am in process of re-ripping about 200 cd's, and re-installing eveything, plus config'g to my likes. Not fun.

    Sometimes do you wonder what it is about the weird disasters of getting a carpc up and running?? I dunno........

    Well this is the 3rd iteration of the CarPC. I am an efficiency nut / energy saving environmentalist. I dont hug trees, but I do drive a 32-42 mpg car and have CFL bulbs and such. Small stuff.

    So Version #1 was with a M10k while in high school. Worked great. Got to university, needed to have AutoCAD and Photoshop 7 and now CS2 in the car so I can work while waiting for one of the 1500 parking spaces for the 4000 students to open up so I can get to class. So I moved to the P4-M. It is plenty fast, but not efficient enough for me, as I am pushing the M2 to the max, and the Commell board isn't my favourite. That and as with all carPC's, it is never finished, only between upgrades. So my quest for the C2D ITX formfactor CarPC started when I got back from vacation.

    I know I can use a desktop, and an inverter. I dont want to as I personally feel that is half-assed. Also, I already own an M2-ATX which works great, and recently a VoomPC2 case I got from the mp3car store (very fast and awesome btw ). So I am using the itx, dc-dc method, just the actual mobo and cpu are holding me up now...

    I hope this new board works out for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by galvitron View Post
    Wow...fun!

    Now I know what motherboard NOT to buy

    Watch it end up being a jumper setting or something. That kind of stuff happens to me just when I start to think I am a computer building master...
    Jumpers were like #3 on my list. Not sure if it is a pro or a con, but there arent many jumpers on the board that relate to hardware booting, but there are a lot of "extra" headers. For instance, a very annoying flaw of this motherboard is that it has no backpanel PS2 connector. I use a PS2 mouse and a PS2 keyboard in the house as most geeks do because we all know USB support while digging around the BIOS or other low-low-low-level things is spotty at best. So with this board there is a header that is 6 pins by 1 pin, that connects to a PS2 connector through the header port... wtf?! Anyways, in the manual that was clearly written by some chinese guy and an online translator there is no direction to plug it in. I have read other reviews and complaints of this while searching for a possible solution to this mobo crisis. Some people have even blown up their keyboard by reversing the polarity. Luckily I either guessed correctly, or my 1980's IBM full metal 15 pound keyboard with the original big *** PS2 connector (like 1" in diameter) is very resiliant.

    Anyways, back to the headers, there are quite a few for LVDS settings, but not much else of use. Well USB of course.

    It seems like a great little board, but it suffers greatly from problems obviously. I still cannot say for sure if it is a very bad manufacturing process, very short list of compatible components, or very bad luck getting all x7 sticks of RAM and x2 CPUs dead on arrival.
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    That makes me sad for you. I've always had awesome luck with JetWay motherboards. I used to carry MachSpeed line of motherboards, which were rebranded jetway. Out of a couple hundred boards over 2 or 3 years, I think I only ended up RMAing 3 or 4.

    Hope it's just that particular model, and not a sign that jetway is going the way of crap.
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    Watch that Voom pc case. It's p r e t t y tight in there.

    When sliding the halves shut, lotsa care must be taken not to pinch cables; pick the shortest ones that'll do the job. Can be headache, esp if one just slides it shut, heedless.

    I got my Voom closed ok, unaware that the cabling was bearing against the memory card, slowly but surely warping it... plus SATA connectors kept coming off - hot glue fixed that.

    Best wishes.


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    Maybe power is the problem...? What PSU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Well I deliver food at nighttime as well as a long commute to and from university, so the hours add up for sure!

    I just ordered a MSI Fuzzy board that is basically the same board as the J9F2 with the same chipset, almost same layout, like a clone, so we'll see if it works. I hope it does. Or that would be x3 dead mobos. Maybe I am cursed.
    People were telling me that the MSI Fuzzy has slow post times, dont know if that means anything...... If the Jetway is the same board, does that mean it has slow post times also....

    PS: I was also thinking of getting this board, but with a T7600 processor.
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