Hardware Review: MoCoSo Lilliput EBY701 Transflective

**hailrazer** · 09-24-2009, 09:20 AM

I have had one of the EBY701 Lilliput Transflective Optically Bonded with AntiGlare for about 3 weeks now. I bought it from www.mo-co-so.com. I bought it pre-installedin the double din housing. It was about $700 shipped.

A bit about my background. I have made custom DIY Projectors for over 6 years. I built a 1080p Diy projector 5 years ago when commercial 1080p projectors costs over $10,000 - $15,000. Mine cost $1,600. I have taken apart and tried several dozen lcd's for these projects. And I am a videophile. Meaning I can see the differences in quality of monitors and screens very quickly and easily.

That is why in my first build I bought a 10.6" 1024x768 screen from a company who makes screens just for commercial airplanes and flight simulators.

So as you can see I am very picky.

So when I ordered the Lilliput from Mo-co-so I was very worried as can be imagined. i sent several emails back and forth to Chris to make sure of the products worth and claims.

Having had it installed for 3 weeks and using it several hours a day, I can say it was well worth it. I have not encountered a situation where the screen wasn't totally readable. And this includes while watching VERY dark movies. And there is no glare at all. With other screens even the Kenwood double din I had in it before, if someone was sitting in the passenger seat with a light shirt , there would be severe glare on the screen. And the Kenwood was supposed to be optically bonded and glare proof.

There a few things I have observed though:
1. The screen has a slightly bluish/purple tint because of the transflective material I am sure. There is not a tint when there is anything on the screen but there is when there is a totally black screen. Shouldn't bother most people.
2. Of course it is near impossible to get 800x480. So at the other resolutions text is slightly blurry and stretched. Not Mo-c-s-'s fault I know, but it would be nice if they offered other screens that didn't have this problem.

The screen is still very touch sensitive and I don't have any problems with it sensing fingertip touches.

Also the screen is led backlit and very bright. In fact it is pretty easy to get it to bright to drive at night. LOL The colors and blacks are excellent on it , especially once you tweak the settings a bit. Looks very good with my Blu-Ray movies and Dvd's.

Well that is all , if I have a few minutes I will snap some shots if that is requested.

Hailrazer

**trader007** · 09-24-2009, 10:42 AM

i bought a 'sunlight readable' eby701 off ebay for $299 (i pretty much stole it they guy said, i guess nobody saw the auction)... they do work very well. even during the sunniest days you can still read the screen with sunglasses on. its brighter then any of my dash instruments, and while it could certainly be even better its extremely nice for the money you pay.

**hailrazer** · 09-24-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by trader007

i bought a 'sunlight readable' eby701 off ebay for $299 (i pretty much stole it they guy said, i guess nobody saw the auction)... they do work very well. even during the sunniest days you can still read the screen with sunglasses on. its brighter then any of my dash instruments, and while it could certainly be even better its extremely nice for the money you pay.

Yes but do you have the Transflective with Optically Bonded touchscreen that has Ag on it?

I do and I really don't see how it could be any better.

**ph7ryan** · 09-28-2009, 07:45 PM

another thing that I noticed on my double din frame is that there is an extremely tight fit for the video signal wire...to the point where it bends one of the side panels out just so the video cable can fit...in my opinion the frame from bybyte...the only frame on the market...is a peice of crap and is not worth the $30 plus shipping that it sells for...id say like $10 at most...they need to make another metal version....

**trader007** · 09-28-2009, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by hailrazer

Yes but do you have the Transflective with Optically Bonded touchscreen that has Ag on it?

I do and I really don't see how it could be any better.

i really don't know. they ran around $450 when they were around, and i got mine for $299 because nobody bit on the auction (last winter, in the middle of the bank collapse). it looks exactly like it does in those pictures even though those pics really dont do it justice. i can read the screen easily in the brightest sun even with sunglasses on. whatever process was used, it looks perfect and works excellent in the daylight.

**hailrazer** · 09-29-2009, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by trader007

i really don't know. they ran around $450 when they were around, and i got mine for $299 because nobody bit on the auction (last winter, in the middle of the bank collapse). it looks exactly like it does in those pictures even though those pics really dont do it justice. i can read the screen easily in the brightest sun even with sunglasses on. whatever process was used, it looks perfect and works excellent in the daylight.

No you don't have the optically bonded one then.

They cost around $600. They bond the touchscreen to the Lcd to eliminate any glare between the two panels. And they add AG to the touchscreen for added glare resistance. Makes even more of a difference.

**theonlykid** · 10-01-2009, 11:04 PM

Thanks to all for the review and feedback on our monitors. It seems that a lot of people are having problems with the double din housing. I will see what steps can be taken with the MFG and internally to correct the issues.

**trader007** · 10-02-2009, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by hailrazer

No you don't have the optically bonded one then.

They cost around $600. They bond the touchscreen to the Lcd to eliminate any glare between the two panels. And they add AG to the touchscreen for added glare resistance. Makes even more of a difference.

yeah i was pretty sure it wasnt a true transflective, but i cant say im even a little dissapointed... whatever process was used works very well, the only worry i have is durability throughout the years of hot and cold.. we shall see though! besides, it was hard enough for me to spend $300 on such a little screen. to spend $600, i couldnt even do that.

**theonlykid** · 10-02-2009, 10:18 AM

This seems like as good of a place as any to clear up what a transflective screen is. There is no such thing as a "true transflective" screen. Transflective is a generic term like Band aid or Kleenex. If you cut your finger you don't ask for a CVS adhesive bandage, you say Band aid. Transflective refers to any monitor that has been enhanced for better viewing in sunlight, whether it be direct or indirect. Their are a number of different technologies that can be used alone or together to create a screen that can be viewed in sunlight. They include passive enhancements like 3M ESR, BEF II, and DBEF II films, as well as anti glare (AG) /anti reflective (AR) coatings, and circular polarizers. Their are also active enhancements like modified brighter LCD panels and backlights. The chosen technology or combination of technologies will determine how viewable the screen is in sunlight. Each technology has its advantages and disadvantages. Certain combination's work together to create a better product and some cancel each other out and cant be used for that reason. There is a lot of science that goes in to a high quality transflective monitor. It isn't just a matter of slapping a few parts together and calling it a day.
That means that a monitor that has just a sheet of ESR in the LCD panel is a transflective screen. However the performance of that monitor will be sub standard when compared to a monitor that uses a combination of different technologies.
To call a monitor with just a sheet of ESR in the panel transflective is very misleading, but not a lie. It is just a low quality TFE screen. Our TFE monitors use a minimum of 4 different technologies to achieve the final result.

**trader007** · 10-02-2009, 02:09 PM

thanks for clearing that up kid. im pretty sure my screen has the 3m ESR and the BEFII layers on it... at least thats what i was told. hopefully soon we will be able to drop the whole 'transflective' labeling all together, and theyll just make all the small screens sunlight readable (meaning the cost will drop significantly).