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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbmw99 View Post
    Thanks for the support! We really appreciate it. Regarding the buttons, there will be the six USB accessible buttons on the left of the display, along with the USB accessible rotary volume knob. You won't have to press buttons to adjust the volume, just turn the knob like a normal HU! Also, there is not enough room for a set of buttons above or below the LCD panel. If the CD/DVD drive was removed, then there would be.

    I won't post CAD files for a little while longer, I'm still working with them. There are some in this thread already, but they're all fairly preliminary (see the first post for links).

    Any other neat ideas or suggestions?

    - Brett
    Hi Bret. I realise I posted those questions without reading the entire thread. Of course, others have raised the same questions before and you had already answered them!

    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    Not sure if this has been mentioned before or not, but could you sneak in an IR receiver on the faceplate somewhere? The space required on the visible side is small, not sure what kind of footprint would be needed PCB wise.
    I think that's a valid point. An IR LED receiver as you say takes virtually no space at all. PCB real-estate wise, I don't see it being a problem as you can easily have an IR LED on the end of a small wire - it doesn't have to be soldered directly to a PCB giving you the freedom to locate the PCB side in a convenient location.
    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    NO internal amplifier or stereo components. <-- As a side rant I still don't get why people clamor for internal amplification. Why in the world are you going to spend a kilobuck or so by the time it is all said and done on a carPC and ancillary equipment and play it through the lo-fidelity ****e that automakers pass off as stereo's now adays. Do your ears a favor, go drop a couple of bucks on some decent speakers and a quality amplifier. /rant off]
    Yay! I agree with you. Whilst I could see the point of having a built-in mini ITX PC (at extra cost), I certainly wouldn't want amplification built in as it will be on a budget and you have all kinds of thermal and physical issues to think about

    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    I would also rather not wait on the AM/FM tuner. If you scan the forums you will see that their appear to be two new Radio modules (one supporting HD radio). At the rate that has been progressing I would rather not pay for an obsolete feature that will tack on who knows how long to the ship date.
    That's it. Good luck with it gents, I am waiting, cash in hand
    Yup, I agree.
    Also, another minor gripe with the carPC front ends / hardware support is it's predominantly US-based. Whilst it's fine for all you people State-side of the pond, it leaves us Europeans feeling left out and having to use front ends which take up real-estate for functionalities that can't be used.
    The prime example I can think of is we don't have satellite radio / XFM (or whatever it is, having a brain fade atm...) but we do have DAB. And for traditional AM / FM radio, the frequencies and steps aren't the same so again, the hardware for this needs to be an option as it's not compatible in certain areas of the world And above all, for those who wish to use this in conjunction with a CarPC, there's no point having dedicated bespoke hardware that's not PC compatible because only the PC would be used to drive it.

    My two pennies worth Keep up the good work. I'm pretty much a definate customer myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbmw99 View Post
    Thanks for the support! We really appreciate it. Regarding the buttons, there will be the six USB accessible buttons on the left of the display, along with the USB accessible rotary volume knob. You won't have to press buttons to adjust the volume, just turn the knob like a normal HU! Also, there is not enough room for a set of buttons above or below the LCD panel. If the CD/DVD drive was removed, then there would be.

    I won't post CAD files for a little while longer, I'm still working with them. There are some in this thread already, but they're all fairly preliminary (see the first post for links).

    Any other neat ideas or suggestions?

    - Brett
    Hi Bret. I realise I posted those questions without reading the entire thread. Of course, others have raised the same questions before and you had already answered them!

    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    Not sure if this has been mentioned before or not, but could you sneak in an IR receiver on the faceplate somewhere? The space required on the visible side is small, not sure what kind of footprint would be needed PCB wise.
    I think that's a valid point. An IR LED receiver as you say takes virtually no space at all. PCB real-estate wise, I don't see it being a problem as you can easily have an IR LED on the end of a small wire - it doesn't have to be soldered directly to a PCB giving you the freedom to locate the PCB side in a convenient location.
    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    NO internal amplifier or stereo components. <-- As a side rant I still don't get why people clamor for internal amplification. Why in the world are you going to spend a kilobuck or so by the time it is all said and done on a carPC and ancillary equipment and play it through the lo-fidelity ****e that automakers pass off as stereo's now adays. Do your ears a favor, go drop a couple of bucks on some decent speakers and a quality amplifier. /rant off]
    Yay! I agree with you. Whilst I could see the point of having a built-in mini ITX PC (at extra cost), I certainly wouldn't want amplification built in as it will be on a budget and you have all kinds of thermal and physical issues to think about

    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    I would also rather not wait on the AM/FM tuner. If you scan the forums you will see that their appear to be two new Radio modules (one supporting HD radio). At the rate that has been progressing I would rather not pay for an obsolete feature that will tack on who knows how long to the ship date.
    That's it. Good luck with it gents, I am waiting, cash in hand
    Yup, I agree.
    Also, another minor gripe with the carPC front ends / hardware support is it's predominantly US-based. Whilst it's fine for all you people State-side of the pond, it leaves us Europeans feeling left out and having to use front ends which take up real-estate for functionalities that can't be used.
    The prime example I can think of is we don't have satellite radio / XFM (or whatever it is, having a brain fade atm...) but we do have DAB. And for traditional AM / FM radio, the frequencies and steps aren't the same so again, the hardware for this needs to be an option as it's not compatible in certain areas of the world And above all, for those who wish to use this in conjunction with a CarPC, there's no point having dedicated bespoke hardware that's not PC compatible because only the PC would be used to drive it.

    My two pennies worth Keep up the good work. I'm pretty much a definate customer myself

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    I've been out of town and I just checked up on this topic. Is it true, has the front USB (even mini USB) port been ditched? That was one of the main feautures I loved about this build. I don't think mini USBs or regular look bad on the front of a system, even without covers. I understand it would be relatively easy to run a hub to the glove box, but as I understood it, the whole foundation of this project was to be "a carpc for the average person" not the "average mp3car enthusiast". If you want to keep the appeal broad, then keep it in. Thanks for the consideration.

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    @ WTFover:
    The CD/DVD drive will not be behind a flip down screen, it's above it. This is a fixed design, no moving parts - more reliable. The bezels will all be black for the time being. I'm still working on the IR. I was originally planning to mount the IR receiver on the back of the unit, not the front. There will not be a remote included either way. The only reason for the IR was the aftermarket steering wheel control adapters. Would it cause a big problem if the IR was on the back of the monitor?

    @ tfboy:
    You wrote: "And above all, for those who wish to use this in conjunction with a CarPC, there's no point having dedicated bespoke hardware that's not PC compatible because only the PC would be used to drive it."
    The versions with the internal radio tuner will be USB controlled.

    Here's my explanation on the amplification and FM radio:
    MOST people that have CarPCs do not need internal amplification because it is considered sub-par to the external 4ch amps. I agree. The same applies to those who do not need an internal PC system because they will have an external one elsewhere in the vehicle. The AM/FM/RDS is in the same category. This monitor will be offered in several versions. The most basic will be a monitor and DVD system. The next level will have the FM radio and amplifier built in, and the full version will be an all-in-one PC system - with it's own internal amp. In the end, you can pick and chose the best one for you.

    @ Stryker707:
    I fully understand the USB situation. However, the problem is the lack of room on the front of the monitor. A full sized USB port will not fit unless one of the buttons are removed. I thought of Mini-USB, but it's still a tight fit. Also, there would need to be some sort of cover to hide the port (& keep it clean), but there are none that exist already. Then the USB extension to the glove box idea was purposed. I think this is the best solution. I think this is still easy to use and accessible. If someone wants to plug in a thumb drive to add music, they can. You have to remember that most music will be on the system anyway, so the USB probably wouldn't be used frequently. It's also easy to install. When the monitor is being installed, the cable could be pushed over into the glovebox.

    Thoughts?

    - Brett

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    There is a first-come first-serve waiting list available on our website. It will fill up quickly! Please visit PandaInnovations.com to sign yourself up.

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    Brett,

    It's been a while since you addressed it, but are you planning on all (3 ?) models to be available, or just the 1 (minimal?) version to be available in May/June?

    I want to get on the list, but I don't want to take up a spot on the list for the wrong version/model. I really want the full-blown CarPC version, not the non-PC versions you spoke of early in this thread...

    Let me know and I'll sign up immediately!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbmw99 View Post
    @ WTFover:
    The CD/DVD drive will not be behind a flip down screen, it's above it. This is a fixed design, no moving parts - more reliable. The bezels will all be black for the time being. I'm still working on the IR. I was originally planning to mount the IR receiver on the back of the unit, not the front. There will not be a remote included either way. The only reason for the IR was the aftermarket steering wheel control adapters. Would it cause a big problem if the IR was on the back of the monitor?

    - Brett
    Brett,
    The no fold down is fine by me. Less parts to break. As far as the IR receiver goes, I am pretty sure if you want to use an IR remote it has to be line of site. Putting it on the back of the unit would preclude that from being an option. I am no IR expert though, but I would like to be able to use a handheld remote ala an MCE remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFover View Post
    Brett,
    The no fold down is fine by me. Less parts to break. As far as the IR receiver goes, I am pretty sure if you want to use an IR remote it has to be line of site. Putting it on the back of the unit would preclude that from being an option. I am no IR expert though, but I would like to be able to use a handheld remote ala an MCE remote.
    Yes, for a handheld remote it would have to be in front. Let me see what I come up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_parker View Post
    Brett,

    It's been a while since you addressed it, but are you planning on all (3 ?) models to be available, or just the 1 (minimal?) version to be available in May/June?

    I want to get on the list, but I don't want to take up a spot on the list for the wrong version/model. I really want the full-blown CarPC version, not the non-PC versions you spoke of early in this thread...

    Let me know and I'll sign up immediately!


    Mike
    Mike,

    At this point the basic version will be available first. HOWEVER, there will not be much more to finish for the complete CarPC models. The only things would be the audio and power circuitry. I'd estimate a release 3-4 weeks after the basic model?

    - Brett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbmw99 View Post
    Yes, for a handheld remote it would have to be in front. Let me see what I come up with.
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    http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB...0(AVR)_eng.htm

    should I give you more more RC5 links ?

    If you have space for in the frontpanel just mount an IR Receiver (TSOP xxxx, ...) there. (if it doesn't fit - we have to mount an IgorUSB elsewhere - I have mine very hidden installed).
    Such a IR Receiver needs a "interrupt"able Input so a toggeling voltage-level generates an interrupt.
    What he receives he should pass to the PC.
    Finally the frontend could react on RC5 codes from any remote control just like Eventghost or Girder.

    Do you have additional space for a daylight sensor ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrbmw99 View Post
    @ WTFover:
    The CD/DVD drive will not be behind a flip down screen, it's above it. This is a fixed design, no moving parts - more reliable. The bezels will all be black for the time being. I'm still working on the IR. I was originally planning to mount the IR receiver on the back of the unit, not the front. There will not be a remote included either way. The only reason for the IR was the aftermarket steering wheel control adapters. Would it cause a big problem if the IR was on the back of the monitor?
    There are Steering Wheel Control Adapters who will map a key to certain RC5 code they will send ??? Cool !
    Can you give me a link ?
    For this usage a IR would make sense on the back.
    But not for other remote controls (for co-passengers or steering wheel aftermarket stuff)...

    complicated situation ...

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    I hear that there will be input of rear camera composite video.

    Will there be a second camera input?

    I will place a camera with mirrors/prism in front to look to the sides when sticking my nose out of my garage. Pedestrians always thinks everyone can see them... But if there is no second input I might scrap that idee.

    Remote controll? Who needs it? I would never give up control to a backseat driver! Or use a strap-on uglyness on the stearing wheel. But sure, you include it, I toss it. No harm done :-)

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