Amen to that. I agree, If I spent this much money on something that broke quickly or had massive issues I would be ****ed. Plus the carPc world is booming, but isn't as big as other things and is relatively new so most of the electronics have to be custom designed or worked on (no history to go off of). There are similar items like the USB bluetooth cell phone item. That need work and will take a while. Even some of the features of street deck and onevoice I am waiting for, but I know I have to be patient cause it takes time to develop things. You have to test and test and test, then when you run into an issue it could take months to figure out or fix. And the biggest thing I have to stress is that If I want something that is nice and bug free and I am paying this much for something I do, then It will take time and I will let it take time cause I want a stable good product.
I guess you could say I was just venting out loud. After knowing that this thread started in Jan 07 after a previous thread or two had discussed Brett's upcoming new solution. So in essance, we're getting close to almost 2 years from the first mentioning of this initiative. Hence my venting. I could see if a company had numerous other projects on the go that deliberate focus on this one exclusively would not be feasable. I may be wrong, but isn't this a single solitary initiative of a single model? Variations are expaected to appear after the QC on this initial one has been proven. I would think that in a fast paced arena of eletronics, one not only has to be competitive, but also creative and quick to employ it's new products. Else, a newer, better mouse trap maker will come along. Perhaps the saving grace in all of this is that there isn't another manufacturer who has stepped up as of yet to produce a similar type product. If one does, most assuredly, you may see this project step up it's tempo so as to not "miss the boat". Competition is very healthy for growth and quality in developement to actual production. Since there is no real competition per say to this unit, the incentive to step up the tempo is not there. At least that's how I see it. Then again, I could be completely wrong and it wouldn't be the first time.
just my .02
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I guess a lot of people are not aware how long it takes to design a product. Aspecially if your are not that many people and you have to put food on the table every day before release too. And aspecially if it includes mechanics and maybe plastic molding tools etc that has to be designed and ordered. And with "difficult-to-come-by" parts like the sharp LCD and controller chips. On a tight budget as I'm sure they would like to earn some money on their investment in the end too... Do you get the picture?
I understand the frustration. I've been there, but desided not to wait about a year ago. I think we have been fortunate to get some insight into the work of designing a thing like this that Brett has been kind enough to let the community participate in. A bit time-optimistic as engineers ofter are :-)
Sorry i am new to this stuff. Is this just a screen? That you can hook up to a carpc in your trunk like you would hook up a 7" screen and the only difference is this is a double din so you do not have to make any modifications? Thanks for the help. I do not have much room behind one of my dins so I am wondering if this is under 3 in depth. Thanks
Hi all. bes51659 hit the nail right on the head with his post. Initially we were a bit time-optimistic as can be seen in the posts early on in this very thread. We are also bummed that the CT650's aren't shipping yet. What everyone needs to understand is how everything needs to come together at the right time in order for this to get off the ground, it's truly a science. As mentioned above, there is no history to grow on. There wasn't a previous unit like this that we could just make changes to and go into production. The entire CT650 system is custom built by our company for this specific purpose. This includes all of the complex circuitry, the onboard firmware, the casing, and of course the plastic and rubber molding. In addition to the physical parts, there is the documentation and CAD simulations. Overall it's huge undertaking, and even though it has taken longer than expected, it will be worth it by far. Hopefully everyone understands that we have been working diligently to perfect the design. Any problem (big or small) with a prototype unit is enough for us to make changes. We've gone through several prototypes already. The process of making revisions to a part, have the new parts run, and test the part in the assembly, takes months.
Also, regarding a question above: This is not just for one model either. While the CT650B and CT650PC will not be ready until after the CT650A is in production, part of what we are doing now is specifically for those models.
Hopefully you can understand why there are delays and how we are trying to get things perfect before production.
@ mrnorwall: The CT650A is a double-din screen with VGA computer inputs as well as RCA video inputs. It is over 3" long - more like 6.5" or 7" long.
Is there a 6.5" screen that is thin like the xenarc or lilliput screens that would fit in a double din spot? I am not going to modify my dash to fit a 7" screen so I was wondering if I could get a 6.5" thanks
the only other double-din carputer solution available is dl065a, but it looks like it's a lot more than 3" in depth. You can, however, buy a housing for a lilliput or xenarc and convert them to double-din.
So far we're a little over a year into the development process. These type of things usually take 2-3 years to develop and the fact that we're involved is huge. We should all be so grateful that we're involved in the design of this product. I can't wait to get to beta testing :dance:
Hi Everyone. Thanks for being patient!
Since the last update we've spent quite a bit of time testing, and built another set of prototype boards to be on the safe side. We have come to the conclusion that there is either a bug in the LCD driver board, or in the software (which could be caused by incorrect documentation from the chip manufacturer). We're probably going to do some major surgery on the driver board design and have another run at it.
This isn't a HUGE setback, but it's definitely going to take some time to sort out. Instead of leaving everyone in the dark as to what the problem is, I'd like to continue by describing a little bit about it.
First, I have to mention that the "Main" board in the CT650A is working very well and has been for some time. It's a large and complex board. We're excited to have it chugging right along without problems! The main board has a test VGA output connector on it to allow for debugging. For testing, we have a VGA computer monitor connected to it. This allows us to see the image that the CT650A's onboard processor is generating. This image is the same as what should be on the front LCD panel. Everything works here. For testing, we generated a red background, inserted a cropped PC Video input signal (notice the clouds on the blue background), and a black OSD box over that.
Image 1 shows how it looks on the external LCD:
Image 2 shows how the front LCD is displaying the same picture:
(FYI we changed the background color to Green for testing. It does display colors correctly).
As you can see, there is a problem with the vertical seperation. Instead of showing the PC Video and OSD box as windows, they get streched vertically resulting in vertical bars. Unfortunately, we didn't notice this until recently. Our original tests on this design were done using a color bar test pattern. The problem with the color bars is that the bars are all vertical already so we didn't see the problem when testing.
Image 3 show the color bars we were using:
We are continuing to work as quickly as possible on this. Please don't post negative comments at this point as people have done above. It's not neccessary.
I hope going out on a limb and sharing this information is helpful. Hang in there! We have a great team that will get this going as quickly as possible!
it looks like it's coming together brett that's great i hope you all can get the issue fixed with out to many problems and you all can enjoy the fruits of your labor i'm still lookin forward to using this for my carpc solution having the overlay's is goin to be pretty sweet