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joeyoravec · 05-27-2007, 10:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson

I take it that an ordinary Mongoose PWM/CAN with the optional 'FEPS Circuit' is what some resellers are referring to as the Mongoose-plus?

The real product name is Mongoose PWM/CAN+FEPS. I just did a search, and yes it looks like some resellers are using that name. I guess can see why, since that is quite a mouthful.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson

This 'FEPS Circuit' is not an option on the ISO/CAN unit - which is the one I'd be interested in. Is there a reason for this?

The PWM/CAN+FEPS is basically the "ford version" of Mongoose, and supports flashing on almost all US vehicles. The big exception is the Ford Probe which might be ISO, but I can't test because they're long out of production and pretty rare to see these days. Plus I have no idea if that one is even flashable in the first place.

With Mongoose the idea was to keep cost low by adding all the features you need, and none that you don't. This is in contrast to CarDAQ which does everything for every car but costs more. There will be exceptions that don't fall into a single Monogose cable, but the divisions work pretty well in general. If you think that you need more, you might want to watch ebay for a used CarDAQ (they do show up occasionally!).

Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson

For me the ISO bus is used for diagnostics only on some additional modules - ABS, ABS FILL/EVAC, Park Aid, Restraints Control - so it's useful enough to want to retain access to ISO even if we don't yet have J2534-2 support from Ford for these and other modules on both the ISO and CAN buses.

To clarify ISO, PWM, and CAN are all mandatory (-1) features so you really should have no problem. What I said was that Ford's program doesn't seem to access their optional (-2) network MSCAN correctly according to the standard. I just made the comment so nobody accuses me of saying "everything works perfectly" when I know Ford's software has this bug. You're not telling me that your car modules on an MSCAN network, so the issue probably doesn't apply to you.

Of course Motorcraft claimed your Australian vehicle was unsupported in the first place, so Ford might be leaving you high-and-dry anyway.

05-27-2007, 10:30 AM	#12
joeyoravec Constant Bitrate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Livonia, MI Posts: 148	Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson I take it that an ordinary Mongoose PWM/CAN with the optional 'FEPS Circuit' is what some resellers are referring to as the Mongoose-plus? The real product name is Mongoose PWM/CAN+FEPS. I just did a search, and yes it looks like some resellers are using that name. I guess can see why, since that is quite a mouthful. Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson This 'FEPS Circuit' is not an option on the ISO/CAN unit - which is the one I'd be interested in. Is there a reason for this? The PWM/CAN+FEPS is basically the "ford version" of Mongoose, and supports flashing on almost all US vehicles. The big exception is the Ford Probe which might be ISO, but I can't test because they're long out of production and pretty rare to see these days. Plus I have no idea if that one is even flashable in the first place. With Mongoose the idea was to keep cost low by adding all the features you need, and none that you don't. This is in contrast to CarDAQ which does everything for every car but costs more. There will be exceptions that don't fall into a single Monogose cable, but the divisions work pretty well in general. If you think that you need more, you might want to watch ebay for a used CarDAQ (they do show up occasionally!). Quote: Originally Posted by Lukeyson For me the ISO bus is used for diagnostics only on some additional modules - ABS, ABS FILL/EVAC, Park Aid, Restraints Control - so it's useful enough to want to retain access to ISO even if we don't yet have J2534-2 support from Ford for these and other modules on both the ISO and CAN buses. To clarify ISO, PWM, and CAN are all mandatory (-1) features so you really should have no problem. What I said was that Ford's program doesn't seem to access their optional (-2) network MSCAN correctly according to the standard. I just made the comment so nobody accuses me of saying "everything works perfectly" when I know Ford's software has this bug. You're not telling me that your car modules on an MSCAN network, so the issue probably doesn't apply to you. Of course Motorcraft claimed your Australian vehicle was unsupported in the first place, so Ford might be leaving you high-and-dry anyway.