LS, I think you read it incorrectly.... The new section would be "new" and be titled "Released Skins", NOT "new released skins" The wording on the poll is a bit screwy there Enforcer and does lend some confusion .

O.K. I agree 100%, now the hard part - define complete enough to be useful. ...............Who sorts through the noise?

That is a question that came to my mind right away, and why I worded the post so carefully. and did not just say "Completed skins" as that is VERY hard to define for sure! Personally, I can not think of a skin that has been posted as "released" that does not have at least the very basic stuff. Main Menu (Mandatory for RR to use it actually) Audio browser & player, Video Browser & player. Thats enough to be "useful" in my opinion. Then the potential user can look at the list of features, and see if is enough for what they want. It couldn't be simpler.

The following is just my opinion... nothing more, nothing less

On the other hand, Lets try not to over complicate things. There are going to be exceptions and such, but the basic rule of thumb is to just weed out the vapor ware and questions, discussions, and even plugins, and have a "true" skin forum.

The skin does not have to support everything Road Runner, or even be very good at all honestly, and is not some sort of contest, or best of the best in any way..... Its just a way to try to weed out all the clutter, and have some sort of standard, making it easier for people to choose a skin thats right for them. Currently skin info is all over the place! the "List of skins" thread, thats quite outdated, as one person has to edit and determine what one may be missing from the list. (With a new forum section, move the skin to that forum, and thats it.) There's the list on Guino's site, The current skin thread, and at least 3 other web pages I can think of that have tried to put everything in one place. Well this forum is the perfect place for this, and a "one stop shop" instead of going to multiple sites and trying to find the info.

And, Yes, sorry, but if someone wants their skin in the new section, they will have to list it's main features and post a few screen shots. Thats just NOT that hard to do. 95% of the released skins authors have done this already. If they do not want to take the time to do it, its not the end of the world, as it will still be in the current skins forum.

As to the skin you are referring to, no, all of that does not have to be done at all. In it's current thread, there are screen captures in the first post and some mention of features already. The additions from the users will still be in the thread, that anyone can download and add to the existing state of the released skin. This makes it very "simple"

There just have to be some sort of guidelines in place.... There just has to be, and I personally think they need to be very very basic guidelines. Think about it, if there are no guidelines, rules, or format, & anyone can post any skin, completed or not....well........... We basically end up with the current skin forum, and don't have to do anything at all

I think this is a very good idea - especially for new people trying to find a "starter" skin to get them going. It does need some careful moderation and planning but I think it could work well.

Personally (and this is just my tuppence worth) I think a mixture of suggestions from LS and JohnWPB would make the best solution.

Firstly potential skins are presented / discussed etc in the normal skins forum. Once they are "completed" or judged ready to release by the author, they can request to have the thread moved to the new "Released Skins" forum by the good Enforcer who would perhaps also update a single list of "Released Skins" available as a sticky on the top of the new forum. This way we have a single (easy to read/navigate/find) list of released skins linking to the relevent threads in the same new "Released Skins" forum. To be released the thread must have as it's first post a screen shot of the skin, a list of it's working features, and a link to download it - not sure about having version numbers. The thread name should only contain the skin name. Relies should be allowed in the new forum but no new posts. And replies need to relate to that skin only ... no hijacking of the threads for other type questions ... this is where there needs to be a strong moderator available ... Are you still interested Enforcer ?

For a skin to be considered "Released" it needs as JohnWPB said, a main menu, audio player & browser and video player & broswer. All other functions should be optional extra's and I'm even starting to think that the video player & browser may even be optional as most people start off just wanting to manage / play their music collections !

Anyway ... that's my take on the plan ... and I did also vote !