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SwapMeet · 10-06-2006, 01:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6

you want to know why? everyone wants the new products, then they complain about the new product prices.

As a company, if you were to see that, would you be interested in putting the money into the R&D to develop a new product?

The public needs to learn that things aren't free. To get the quality you want you have to pay for it.

We can think places like wallyworld and ebay for this mentality.

every market goes through stagnation at some point or another, and guess what, it's cyclical. It will happen over and over and over as long as a particaulr market exists. It's the nature of the beast.

You complain about screens not working, I've run 3 differen screens, all Xenarcs, and all worked flawlessly while I had them. only when I sold the previous two and someone didn't know what they were doing or wanted to mess with the screen did they not work.

PSUs, market demands determine pricing, as does avaliability and production numbers. I ask you this, what are you basing your expensive comments on? The price of desktop PSUs? Do you really think that's a fair comparison?

Re displays, look at the size of this market, then look at the size of other display markets. This is a speck of dust on the map. The fact that we actually have transflective displays now is amazing. Why did it happen? because users were actively looking for better solutions and trying them out, rather than just waiting around for them to come to live and in the mean time, complaining that they don't exist.

Operating systems - what? you know how to write an entirely new operating system? have at it, let us know when you're done.

front ends lacking? I agree, but you know what, THEY ARE ALSO FREE for the most part. the one's that do work quite well that you pay for, I bet you would also complain about them costing too much?

Audio - ground loops are not something you should settle with. Consider this, the VAST majority of the people installing these things in their cars know little to nothing about car audio. having ground loops then is to be expected. If you want it flawless, pay someone who knows car audio to install it, but then again, I bet you would complain about the cost, right? so then, take the time to research how to do it right.

GPS - so you're complaining that someone hasn't come out and designed a GPS solution SPECIFICALLY for the Car PC maraket? do you really think that this market is THAT big that a company can justify spending all the time on development and research JUST for a fraction of the individuals who have PCs in their cars? iGuidance has taken a huge leap forward, they have an option on their newest release for autoPC...yes, it has flaws, every piece of software known to man has flaws in it.

I'm sorry, it's just hard to see how you feel you're justified in your complaints when you have done little to contribute to this community. It sounds to me like you're just siting around, waiting for that magical end all be all solution.

It's not justified from what see here.

Yeah, this probably came across as really blunt and to the point, so what. I'm tired of hearing people complain left and right about things and not do a darn thing to fix the problem.

How can you fix the problem you ask? Becaome an active member of the community. Try out the products and GIVE FEED BACK. By sitting in the wings waiting around for something to happen, you are essentially making this market smaller, which means fewer companies will take notice, which means fewer new products, and fewer new developments.

do you think car audio was flawless and cheap in its infancy? if you do, you've been living under a rock your whole life....

I'm not complaining, more frustrated than anything else (well, maybe I am complaining a little bit). I do realize that this is a very small, niche market and that the technical environment is extremely challenging. Most of what we put into our cars just aren't made to run in a car. My first attempt at a CarPC was a disaster and that's what makes me leary about buying more stuff, even though I now have a better idea of what will work and what won't. Yes, prices are little high and to be expected given the economies of scale, and advances will probably come at a slower pace than that of mass market electronics. But two years ago I remember there was new stuff coming out almost weekly. There was always something announced or coming soon. I'm guessing a lot of manufacturers jumped into the market with new products but didn't get a lot of payback on their investment, and now, the pipeline's dried up. Yes, I do realize that I get what I pay for, but there's a lot of uncertainty in all this and it's fairly risky.

10-06-2006, 01:20 AM	#10
SwapMeet Constant Bitrate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Vehicle: 2006 Rav4 Posts: 119 My Photos: ()	Quote: Originally Posted by RedGTiVR6 you want to know why? everyone wants the new products, then they complain about the new product prices. As a company, if you were to see that, would you be interested in putting the money into the R&D to develop a new product? The public needs to learn that things aren't free. To get the quality you want you have to pay for it. We can think places like wallyworld and ebay for this mentality. every market goes through stagnation at some point or another, and guess what, it's cyclical. It will happen over and over and over as long as a particaulr market exists. It's the nature of the beast. You complain about screens not working, I've run 3 differen screens, all Xenarcs, and all worked flawlessly while I had them. only when I sold the previous two and someone didn't know what they were doing or wanted to mess with the screen did they not work. PSUs, market demands determine pricing, as does avaliability and production numbers. I ask you this, what are you basing your expensive comments on? The price of desktop PSUs? Do you really think that's a fair comparison? Re displays, look at the size of this market, then look at the size of other display markets. This is a speck of dust on the map. The fact that we actually have transflective displays now is amazing. Why did it happen? because users were actively looking for better solutions and trying them out, rather than just waiting around for them to come to live and in the mean time, complaining that they don't exist. Operating systems - what? you know how to write an entirely new operating system? have at it, let us know when you're done. front ends lacking? I agree, but you know what, THEY ARE ALSO FREE for the most part. the one's that do work quite well that you pay for, I bet you would also complain about them costing too much? Audio - ground loops are not something you should settle with. Consider this, the VAST majority of the people installing these things in their cars know little to nothing about car audio. having ground loops then is to be expected. If you want it flawless, pay someone who knows car audio to install it, but then again, I bet you would complain about the cost, right? so then, take the time to research how to do it right. GPS - so you're complaining that someone hasn't come out and designed a GPS solution SPECIFICALLY for the Car PC maraket? do you really think that this market is THAT big that a company can justify spending all the time on development and research JUST for a fraction of the individuals who have PCs in their cars? iGuidance has taken a huge leap forward, they have an option on their newest release for autoPC...yes, it has flaws, every piece of software known to man has flaws in it. I'm sorry, it's just hard to see how you feel you're justified in your complaints when you have done little to contribute to this community. It sounds to me like you're just siting around, waiting for that magical end all be all solution. It's not justified from what see here. Yeah, this probably came across as really blunt and to the point, so what. I'm tired of hearing people complain left and right about things and not do a darn thing to fix the problem. How can you fix the problem you ask? Becaome an active member of the community. Try out the products and GIVE FEED BACK. By sitting in the wings waiting around for something to happen, you are essentially making this market smaller, which means fewer companies will take notice, which means fewer new products, and fewer new developments. do you think car audio was flawless and cheap in its infancy? if you do, you've been living under a rock your whole life.... I'm not complaining, more frustrated than anything else (well, maybe I am complaining a little bit). I do realize that this is a very small, niche market and that the technical environment is extremely challenging. Most of what we put into our cars just aren't made to run in a car. My first attempt at a CarPC was a disaster and that's what makes me leary about buying more stuff, even though I now have a better idea of what will work and what won't. Yes, prices are little high and to be expected given the economies of scale, and advances will probably come at a slower pace than that of mass market electronics. But two years ago I remember there was new stuff coming out almost weekly. There was always something announced or coming soon. I'm guessing a lot of manufacturers jumped into the market with new products but didn't get a lot of payback on their investment, and now, the pipeline's dried up. Yes, I do realize that I get what I pay for, but there's a lot of uncertainty in all this and it's fairly risky. __________________ 2006 Rav4 + iPod, still CarPCless

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