Focal

i hope your kidding, well ill play along.....

but first everyone’s opinion differs, I was at a clients home the one night, and his son thought he had a AMAZING SQ sound system, its was entry level focals, with a Kenwood amp, Sony explode amp, and Sony sub. he swore up and down it was the best build he ever heard, I let him pop his CD in my car, he was embarrassed, seconds after I was amongst 2 clients. It’s kind of like you saying JL is the best, its not. In this field I like to think education/experience is knowledge, mine keeps me in a nice home at 21, nice cars and plenty of toys. You clearly have little knowledge, if you make SUCH an incorrect broad statement, that can be proven wrong so many times so hard. JL is nothing more then a good all around company.

I love sound, i didnt go to school and graduate honors in my degree program (B.S.E) and B.S.M.E(working on it) for being incorrect about things

Dictionary defines best as

"–adjective, superl. of good with better as compar. 1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing: the best work; the best students. "


now you tell me what JL makes the best?
amps....No
subs.....No
speakers... No

so maybe they make "teh best" dunce caps's, hey im not a JL hater, i like jl, but if someone were to ask whats the "best" jl is out of mind, only thing they make that i would put my name beside is a w6v2, and theres even better woofers out there then that.

Hey my favorite company is Focal, but even they are falling into mass comsumer markets, there new amps are being made in china, quaility lost.

and little info on the beloved JL, alot of there stuff is MADE in china imported to were ever.... put in an amp case, PS wired in, and stamped made in USA, Italy, France, what ever they want, JL is slowly becoming an Alpine #2

ironfinger

just get the PDX since you already have the mono amp. That way you can stack them, or at least have a matching set.

So far, after the first couple of responses, all other arguments have been irrelevant to the topic at hand...

J187

Do you think Focal makes the "best" components? Do you think that your idea of what is best could be right OR wrong? It cannot be. Its only your opinion.

Your homes and cars and salary and education are of absolutely no consequence to any of these peoples. There isn't going to be a bunch of people on other sites going "HEy, theres a kid on the other site who owns a house at 21, he must know his audio." I just can't understand why you feel the need to qualify your opinions with material possessions and wealth. Oh well.

YOu do realize that if we asked 5 qualified people what are the best component speakers out there we may get 5 different CORRECT answers because everyone has a different set of ears. Thats why we have sound judges and not machines and computers. I think you have a warped perception of the word "cocky". You are not "cocky". You left the cockiness meter long ago. YOur in the orbit somewhere between God and the smartest audiophile on earth.


Thats a fair reason. I may even be edging slightly toward this side of the disccussin...

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Focal

mmmm last home audio system I installed was tuned 90% by computer, and is controlled 100% by computer, and perfected by a computer.

does focal make the best components, I wont say yes, I wont say no, my whole premis here is, when you say best its 100% perception, but you cant call something like JL the best, thats like saying a korean hooker might be a virgin. focal utopia I believe is up there, I also know you can spend $10 000 on a set of dBT tweeters, and $1000/ft for RCA cable, insane and stupid yes. but is it out there? yes. what boils my blood is when people call a company like JL the "best", its a far cry from it, even in the consumer market.

and I apologize once again cocky is all I no, when your on a plane to villas in Beverly hills, Chris browns mansion, to do nothing more the install sound systems, I worked hard for this name, I haven’t grown into my age that’s clear, hear I am bragging and liking it, I realize I have maturing to do, but im just so damn good lmao.

you know who I respect? Matt Gramn, he's a big rig at JL audio..... get to know him, let him open his trunk, you will find a surprise to say the least, this guy is a very good audiophile, so he must "rep the best" right.... wonder if that’s JL (hell he wouldn't even have to pay for it) lol, and its funny I still like this tread, I’m getting judged, and insulting the company I have the best job offer at currently. soon as I finish my B.S.M.E, don’t be surprised if you see me preaching how good JL is, there offer will only get better with further education. but right now I stand am 100% non-bias, I don’t sell/consult for car audio, I sell studio/recording and extreme high end home audio, My opinions/views come right from the heart lol, nothing swaying them like the product specialists and marketing executives at JL audio.

VERY LAST, lets be frank and final, imaging and SQ in a car isn’t CLOSE to as demanding as a recording studio, 80% of my work is going to university educated producers,and sound engineers then telling them there equipment is “garbage” and they have to buy this, this and this from us (a lot of the time I bull****, and there downgrading) my point hear is if my choices influence how the music sounds when u run to the store and buy it, wither you have a kenwood deck and stock GM speakers, or a full sound $50 000 sound stage, respect should be given to me. Like I said a good part of my day is spent either explaining why the producers arnt getting the sound they want (50% of that is there artists suck and they have ****ty recording engineers) the rest of my day Im selling them on studio equipment, as I said I don’t always tell the truth while sealing a deal, sometimes there not happy, so what do I do, blame it on the rest of there equipment, and after they buy into it and drop another $60 000 there happy. My finalized point hear is, if I can obtain the respect of producers( ultimate audiophiles), and recording engineers, it bothers me when im questioned on what I say about car audio (as simple as it gets).

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J187

CSXN - another great amp to look into is a Zapco 360.4. I dont' really know what your price limitations are, but Zapco is another great quality amp for great sound....

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Focal

agreed, i still say for the price PG titanium, for under 500 bucks it has been my hands down fav, second to that i would look at the audison you linked, or if you want to get old school, go PG M50

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XC-C30

PPI ArtSeries gonna have to find other speakers though.... They're not that beefy (not tomention VERY hard to find)

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J187

Then when It finally burns out you can hang it on the wall in the living room . Those pictures looked like someone smoked opium and couldn't bare to look at a plain white amp. Whenever I see one those early all white Eclipse amps If I stare long enough I see one of the fruity pictures from the Precision opiate series....

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csxian

Ok guys, I was surprised when I saw this threat that you were fighting about the JL sub... But that's ok... I appreciate every opinion and suggestion you guys make. Thanks.

In term of 4-channel amp, basically I like the PDX just because I have the PDX monoblock but no idea about the quality. JL offers cheaper price than the PDX and again, I haven't heard the quality myself. The PG Titanium, I don't know which one is this, maybe you can send me the link. I just found R series and Rs series with no idea how theirs quality. Zapco? Thanks buddy...that's too expensive. Audison, I heard good reputation about them but kinda unclear about the quality.

Frankly speaking, I still have no idea what to buy now.

Anyway, the 2.4 farad cap that I mentioned, I haven't bought it yet, still in consideration. I have this PDX 1.1000 still in box, not installed yet. I was considering too add a cap just because the PDX itself consume about 1000W then I will add another 300-600W 4-channel amp. Do you think I still don't need a cap?

Guys, I'm so proud being here and get so much valuable information and opinion from you... You all are great... Anyone wanna be my mentor on this?? LOL....JK....

Ooppss... I'm kinda vague on the audison above, what I mean by no idea about the quality, I mean when I'm pairing it with the Alpine type-R component. Maybe anyone has any idea what will gonna happen with that combination...

Focal

read all my posts, I have said a few times PG titanium, this is my opinion, from someone that’s used each and every amp you can imagine, someone who demands audio perfection, and I'm saying for the price go PG titanium! Not PDX or JL (both are good amps) I would GO PG!

you can also get it cheap, if I had to do a semi-budget build for myself, the first piece of hardware I would purchase would most defiantly be the PG amp. I do have high standards, I enjoy music, last year I bought

Vrx 6.420 CS (chrome shadow) $4000+ amp (using 3 channels)
Vrx 1.500 CS (chrome shadow) (1000 RMS at 2ohm)
Focal Utopia Be Number 7s (front stage) $5000?

and you know what? lol I’m still not happy, its not perfect yet, if I was homeless and had to sell my amps, and only could have 500 dollars for an amp (****ed up scenario ay) I would have to chose the PG titanium lol! JUST DO IT!

And if you want me to explain why email me, I don’t want to spec drop publicly, last time I used anything more then slang, and modest formatting it turned into rants. On most forums I go on, same thing, I intimidate there forum hero boy, I get ban sometimes for nothing other then disagreeing and then schooling who ever HARD, ill spec drop, use fancy names, give you what years of university gave me, if So if you want shoot me an email, and ill try to test the PDX at work if you want, We have hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment, If time permits ill give you a brief report on the PDX (I want to bench one anyways, and no I’m not talking about a cheap *** bench test, those over populate the internet and sway to many people to believe there “good” amps, well there good, but not great.

Although I suggest you just take my word on this, im not making any money, either way I could care less, but GET THE BLODDY PG TITIANIUM, you be BUMPING THUMPIN AND PIMPIN ALL THEM SLUTTY NOTES!
LOL man I’m hammered!

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csxian

Thanks Focal, But I just cannot find the PG Titanium on the market. What I can find is the RSd series and Octane-R series. You can see it here: http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/amps.html

What is your email address that I can contact directly and ask for advise in car audio system?

Since I will run 1000W on my PDX monoblock for my type-X sub, I also consider about the power that the 4-channel will consume. I don't want to ruin the electric system and the alternator in my car. I'm gonna use 2.4 farad cap anyway, maybe that can help.

I'd be pleased if you can tell me about the test result on PDX 4-channel. Some suggest on Orion or Infinity as well... What do you think?

Focal

what’s this capacitor business lmao, a cap is a band aid for a problem, for what it costs fix the problem, for most cars, it isn't much more, i got alternators for my mx6($180CAD) and the one for my rx8 was $230CAD both are 150-180amp output( i remember my rx7 one was more back in the day), buy one jump on a local auto forum, you will find a hundred clowns that can install one, they usually work for forum bragging rights lol.

O and the titanium is older, they don't make them anymore, used is all you will find.

and you wont be disappointed with the PDX and hell it will even match I guess (never build a system on this premise) but in this case it looks like it would be the determining factor in most peoples cases. if you want sheer enjoyment hop on google and search up a PG titanium!

As for Infinity, last summer I installed some focal 165s with an infinity amp, and I was somewhat impressed on how nicely it sounded, infinity is a pretty solid company for what it is… entry level. I however don’t like infinity components! Orion is what a lot of the “hardcore” builders use, I do not however support them in any which way (not saying they don’t have some great product) but in your situation do the PDX if you’re a cosmetic slut, and are willing to sacrifice a little enjoyment (I respect this, we were not all born with perfect pitch) but if you have no regards to cosmetics, go get the PG, forget JL, forget Infinity, and forget Orion.

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ironfinger

yeah, caps are not recommended as a solution for overtaxed batteries and alternators. It's best to do the big three and contemplate upgrading your alternator. You're may be pushing your factory system with the wattage you are thinking about. All the more reason to get the PDX since it's a D class amplifier, which is more efficient. Consider the 100rms x 4ch pdx instead of the 150x4.

csxian

Thanks iron.

I have one question; if I don't use any cap and running PDX 1.1000 and let's say (just an example) JL 300/4 which use A/B class with my stock alternator, will the light and electrical system disturbed? Like light dimming or anything similar?

If not, then I think it's kinda useless spending money on capacitor, isn't it? The cost of the cap is just $65 for 2.4 farad while it's kinda expensive to change the alternator. What do you think??

Focal, it's just too troublesome to find the PG Titanium since it's discontinued. Can you suggest another amp that would need my satisfaction besides the PG? Is the infinity reference 7541a consuming a lot of power?

Focal

lights dim? depends on the car, I have installed large systems on some cars and the charging system kept up, I have installed small amps on some, and "dimming" as you would call it, but like I said a cap is a band aid, if your charging system is up to par, your lights wont dim, the amps are getting sufficient amperage, now if you have a bad charging system, or you simply demand to much, lights begin to dim, adding a cap, is just hiding a problem that needs to be fixed, yes they can be used with success, but like I said it all depends on the car, how much amperage will be drawn, how reserve amperage your charging system has, and so forth. Be smart about it and upgrade alternator! i have seen cars with systems so underpowered, even with caps, the lights dimmed bad, a cap can only cover so much overhead/overdraw.

and i have used the infinity reference 7541a to power a set of Kappa's once, using an alpine deck with 3 way active crossover, it performed VERY well. i have noting bad to say about it, but if your buying new, just get the matching alpine PDX, i dont have much knowledge on that amp, like i said i installed one, it sounded nice, never heard from guy again.

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