JL Audio VS Alpine - Page 5

XC-C30 · 04-07-2007, 04:00 PM

What does the year and color of my car has to do with this?

Oh, And I finished my school already 5years ago with a degree in ICT

Focal · 04-07-2007, 04:03 PM

i was born in italy, moved to canada, went to school in US, moving to hamilton soon for school (science program) then back to the states to finish my degree, and then back hear for computer engineering.

and i no i made an immature comment, well stick to ICT dont cut in on my domain.

RedGTiVR6 · 04-07-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Focal

On the flip side I also have friends/clientele on a budget, I attended mobile dynamics, I am also on name basis with all the good guys from alpine, focal, and JL audio

Name dropping doesn't get you a whole lot on this board. It actually has quite the opposite effect on the folks around here. They tend to tune you out. Not only that, but it is like a flare in the dead of night alerting people to the fact that you really don't know what you're talking about.

I could brag all day about the school I went to, about the people I know, and the accomplishments I've got under my belt. But why? Why do I need to? What will it get me? It would get me into a whole lot of ****. You don't see the top names in the industry on the forums yelling and screaming that they know their ****. You don't see them calling people out and saying that they are morons.

If you're as knowledgeable as you claim to be, show it, don't force it on people. Why? Because when you force it on people, people tend to blow you off. Like it or not, it's the way the world works.

Quote: Originally Posted by J187

If you do try to publish something, you are going to have problems unless you alter you attitude a bit. People don't want to be educated as if they are morons and their teacher knows everything. If you have an opinion, you should learn how to state it in a such a way that you are not presumptious, condescending and combative. You should state your opinions and give support to your argument other than "I have spent other peoples money and most people don't know a damn". If you do intend to publish something, I sincerely hope that you refrain from saying things like "whoopee ****" and "its like sex". I hope that you are able to understand that these forums offer a place where intelligent people can share intelligent opinions and not become ignorant or combative with others. You are not the only voice that counts. You should be more open to what people have to say and learn how to disagree. Being respectful when you disagree is a value that would have suited much better to learn well before you filled your brain w/ audio knowledge. I look forward to consideration of your opinions in the future, I just hope your presentation is better.

Agree, 100%. Not to mention, learning to spell, learning grammer, etc. It all goes a long long way to making yourself legitimate. When I read through a post, especially when someone is beating on their chest, yelling that they know everything, and they don't even know the differnence between their, there, and they're...it puts a flag up that this person isn't quite legitimate.

Quote: Originally Posted by Focal

two Audsion LRx CS's
running focal utopia Be #7 front stage

ummm - the LRx isn't the Chrome shadow...it's the VRx series.

To add to that, you've mentioned it multiple times in this thread..which tells me you might not know as much as you're leading on that you know.

Long story short, this is not a forum that tolerates people that act like rappers...grabbing their crotch, screaming into a mic, talking about how they are so much tougher and better than the next guy. Why do forums ban members that act this way? Because it's incredibly disruptive to the community. It does little to teach people, because people don't like to be yelled at and treated like dirt.

So long story short, tone it down.

XC-C30 · 04-07-2007, 06:44 PM

The guy will come back and see the long version of a PM I send him (after he had send a PM saying sorry for an immature reaction towards me

Focal · 04-07-2007, 10:12 PM

For you Information Vrx CS is what I have. and like I said im screwed without spell check, English is a 3rd spoken language for me, and with a lot of my posts my girlfriend helps me put together.

Yeah my first post about my system was correct, yeah I did type LRx in the second one, yeah my bad

and I really don’t think a typo is reason to do doubt what knowledge I have, I make many in a day, I don’t see how my English grammar is has any barring on my knowledge or legitimacy, about 7/10 best audio theory books are in German and Italian, and building a car stereo lets face it has very little skill, I do no many competition builders, I hear your one yourself, a successful one. (im not saying your not smart, the general coconscious says you are) me I did flaunt around like I was top ****, didn’t get me anywhere did it that’s fine, by my day-day doesn’t change, I sell product cause I am arrogant and cocky, and lets face it, if I didn’t know a damn I wouldn’t be working in studio's, trouble shooting, and repairing $100 000 equipment, I do know lots, how you based your opinion of my knowledge of a single letter typo, and my arrogant and take on everything, something I wont change cause as stupid as it may be it has been with me from the start till now, and im happy were I am now, so nothings going to change.

and what I really don’t understand "and they don't even know the difference between their, there, and they're...it puts a flag up that this person isn't quite legitimate."

the absolute smartest person I know, that taught me analytical and computational, and quantum methods, barely can speak English and the little he does know makes him sound mentally challenged, so I still really don’t see how my grammar relates to anything.

Thefdog · 04-08-2007, 12:09 AM

Just calm down a little...

I agree with you, that you grammar does not represent the depth of your knowledge. However, it does make you appear to be less intelligent than you are (or may be).

Perhaps you should also listen to the advice people are giving you. Most of the people who took offense to your behavior have been in this forum for quite some time; take a look at the number of posts compared with yours. This is an indication that they have done some research and are often helpful to others on this board.

You, on the other hand, appear to be quite an arrogant person who thinks that education and money mean you know more than anyone else. I am actually a professional archaeologist, with both a BA and MA in anthropology, and I will readily admit there are people who have never been to college but know more about my field than I can ever hope to. That is because they are intelligent and perceptive. Once you realize that you do not have all of the knowledge about everything, perhaps you will really begin to learn...

Until then, why don't you shut-up

(I couldn't resist this last jab because the icon fit so well

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csxian · 04-08-2007, 12:20 AM

Okay guys, call me a dumb but I'm getting more confuse now. Let's keep it simple because we're not discussing the whole course about power distribution.

I'm upgrading the audio system on the 2006 Honda Civic. I will use PDX 1.1000 on my Type-X sub and not decided yet what 4-channel amp to buy for my Type-R speakers. I'm currently using my stock deck, batt and alternator. Changing my alternator is my last option since it's still new and quite expensive here. I thought if I use a cap (2.4 farad for instance), I might be able to avoid light dim or anything caused by power consumption is too big for my car.

I know that the cap is not producing any power but it does help to recharge the batt faster. the question I'm asking is simple, For my current upgrade (PDX 1.1000), do I need to use a cap? If I add another 400-600W 4-channel amplifier for my speaker without using a cap, will it harm the electrical system?

Please help me with simple explained answer.

Guys, what about 200amp Battery Isolator? Does it help?

Is Isolator the same as alternator?

XC-C30 · 04-08-2007, 12:26 AM

@ focal:

Maybe the typo isn't an indication of your knowledge. But you always trying to defend yourself and always trying to have the last saying, while you haven't proven anything to us, shows you're not a really smart person either

Focal · 04-08-2007, 12:27 AM

the isolator is used if you are adding an extra battery, so no its not what you need, and yes a 2.4 cap will stop your "dimming", its just not the proper way IMO go to canadian tire, or what ever your big auto store have them test your alternators output, then test the cars draw on a full load, subtract draw from load, see how many amps you have to play with, leave a 10% buffer, if you have 100amps left over (you wont) use 90.

and like I said I don’t have to prove anything, loom at what sparked argument and cockiness, my first post hear was VERY informative, and well good I think, it got TURNED into a rant, and I don’t need to be a helpful hero, long as I make bills, and live my own life, on my arrogant accord, im happy with that, and im willing to admit there may besmarter hear, and somewhere else, there’s always someone smarter, hell it might be a crack head bum on the streets, im starting to surrender to the fact there’s smarter, but a lot of these smarter people do NOTHING with it, and to me thats what makes a stupid person, I already dropped my salary, for my age and profession, im doing well. and I do like it hear, brutal honest people to keep me in place, I respect a lot of the people I insult more then you can imagine

and i personally talked to a smarter person today the owner of "british grove" today he owns one of the UK's finest recording studios, the guy is a living legend, if i had to love a guy he would be it, i have much to learn. i do apologize for arrogance.

csxian · 04-08-2007, 12:29 AM

By the way, what does the big 3 mean??

XC-C30 · 04-08-2007, 12:29 AM

look it up, it's explained on the forum somewhere.

Focal · 04-08-2007, 12:44 AM

its grounding battery ground(-) to chassis, alternator positive to battery positive, and chassis to engine

ironfinger · 04-08-2007, 05:53 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by csxian

Thanks iron.

I have one question; if I don't use any cap and running PDX 1.1000 and let's say (just an example) JL 300/4 which use A/B class with my stock alternator, will the light and electrical system disturbed? Like light dimming or anything similar?

If not, then I think it's kinda useless spending money on capacitor, isn't it? The cost of the cap is just $65 for 2.4 farad while it's kinda expensive to change the alternator. What do you think??

I'm guessing that you will not see any dimming running the pdx 1.1000.

However you may get some dimming if you add another amp.

It's also about what type of music you listen to and how much you crank it.

If you listen to bass heavy music with gains and volume cranked up, you're chances of dimming go up.

And another question is, do you really need a 1000rms amp to run one sub?

You can return it and get a ~500rms amp. That would give you the headroom to add a 4ch amp with less chances of dimming.

Personally, I would just go ahead and get a 4ch amp, install everything and deal with dimming if it happens.

and I would not get an overpriced JL. I'd rather get this PG for 90bucks: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...d+R5.0-4.html#

and put the money you save towards having your stock alternator rewound, or buy a replacement High Output alternator
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-...spagenameZWDVW

Focal · 04-08-2007, 07:30 AM

I agree with the rewinding, although I would NEVER get it off eBay.

and as far as that amp, NO lol, look better something used, anything lol.

and no i would NOT downgrade to 500watts, keep the 1000 (wither you use it or not doesn't matter, keep it) you will have plenty of "headroom" if you just do things correctly, and hey im not saying that you wont get away with just running PDX amps and nothing else (i would do the big3 for sure, but sometimes even OEM uses larger wire then needed, example 70amp alternator, and the grounding, positive return is good for 80amp (in this case its pointless) but I'm going to go out on my way to assume honda probably didn't design there system like this, so check or just do it, it doesnt cost much.)

and just because the PDX s class D doesn’t mean it doesn’t draw hard..... it takes power to make power, if you don’t have any power to give, essentially it wont make any power, most of the installers I know, like ckass D, because you can get say 150RMS@4ohms, and 150RMS@2ohms, the draw is still very real, and your lights may very well dim with 2 PDXs don’t build a system on the premise they class D amps wont cause "dimming", I would suggest getting the alternator done.

Bite the bullet, get a ****ty amp for now, upgrade alternator, wire you alternator like was mentioned (big 3) use 4gauge-2gauge wire for added grounding/power, and also get a capacitor. that will give you as solid power delivery system, and out of curiosity, you have 2gauge wiring to the back don’t you?

or just do what i do for a lot of *friends* (ill refuse to do this for clients) just install as much amp as you want, turn gains way down until you can afford to upgrade alternator, but yeah i am going to stress the "big 3" if the honda you have has ****ty grounding and return.

J187 · 04-08-2007, 08:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Focal

i was born in italy, moved to canada, went to school in US, moving to hamilton soon for school (science program) then back to the states to finish my degree, and then back hear for computer engineering.

and i no i made an immature comment, well stick to ICT dont cut in on my domain.

Then off to university again for a masters in spelling and grammar. I never pick on anyone for spelling, but you are so quick to pick on every little detail of everyone else, car color etc, then its only right to point out the spelling. I give no slack to anyone who thinks they walk on water, eat bullets and **** ice cream. As far as your front stage - for $5000 why not go for the Rainbows?? Maybe this thread will be all for not when someone that graduated Image Dynamics with 100% and not just 99% comes in and trumps all.

@CSX - you are going to have to make your own ultimate decision. We can all deliver our opinions to you and tell you about amps we might choose for you (some of us will call you names if you don't pick our amp) but when it all comes down it will be you that has to make the final decision. Use the internet too. Take some of these amps you've been hearing about in here and research them, check reviews. Factor in price and then make your decision. IF you are undecided about your charging system, get everything, install it, then see how it is. IF then you need to upgrade the alt and add a cap or upgrade the grounds, you can do it then.