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Old 04-27-2007, 11:07 AM   #1
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Uh oh. My car smells like asphalt

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Well, I couldnt find any Peal n Seal locally. The only product that resembled it that I could find was Bakor Blueskin. It says its made out of rubberized asphalt. So I bought a roll of that and did my rear doors and trunk lid yesterday. My car hasnt been sitting in the sun (in the garage) and it already smells a bit like asphalt. The smell isnt too strong, but Im worried it will be worse if left out in the sun. Anyone have any tips? Please tell me this smell will go away after a week.
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Old 04-27-2007, 11:18 AM   #2
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I'm afraid you're screwed. The smell might be going away a little, but if it already is noticeable without paying attention to it....
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Peal N Seal is the same way. It might go away. But expect the smell to come back in hot weather.

Sucks to be you, next time do it right and buy secondskin or Raamat BXT.
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I should know, I did the peel n seal route in my Jeep grand cherokee. it went away after awhile but if i left it in the sun all day it would come back.
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You might want to see if you can get if off while it's still fresh - better that than have it melt during the summer. It isn't a very good vibration damper to start with and it will smell until all of the VOCs outgas, at which point it will be an even worse sound deadener. Did I mention that those VOCs are toxic?
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wait, why isn't it a good vibration damper? and why would the VOCs actually adversely affect the sound deadening abilities of it? That honestly doesn't quite make sense to me, so please elaborate.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:41 AM   #6
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wait, why isn't it a good vibration damper? and why would the VOCs actually adversely affect the sound deadening abilities of it? That honestly doesn't quite make sense to me, so please elaborate.

Asphalt is a plastic material while it holds the VOCs, that is to say, when it is deformed, it stays in its new shape. Elasticity is an important property for vibration dampers. As an elastic material is deformed in response to vibration, internal stresses pull the material back toward its original shape. These stresses convert the vibration into very small amounts of heat, basically taking them out of play. Without this elastic action the only way a material can work is by adding mass, lowering the panel's resonant frequency and increasing the energy needed to excite it or by stiffening the panel, raising the panel's resonant frequency and again increasing the energy required to set it in motion.

While the asphalt is still pliable, some energy is converted during deformation and the asphalt is slightly heavier. These two factors give pliable asphalt a theoretical advantage over dried out rigid asphalt.

I have no numbers to support this theory of pliable versus non-pliable asphalt. My real intention was to emphasize the very poor choice asphalt is for in car use. The most important problem asphalt mats encounter with age is the deterioration of the rubber stabilizing compounds they contain. As asphalt ages, it becomes less and less able to tolerate heat. This is why it is very common for it to survive one or two summers in a car and melt out on the second or third - not to say that it might not melt during the first hot weather in encounters.

The fact that the fumes are low level toxins are likely to be overlooked by people trying to save a buck. The very real possibility that the mat will either fall off or melt, potentially damaging carpet and upholstery is more likely to discourage them. In have gotten hundreds of e-mails from people whose asphalt installations have failed and none from those using butyl products.

Leaving stability and reliability out of consideration, the fact that butyl is so much more effective than asphalt provides a better way to save money. If you planned tp buy $100 worth of Peel & Seal, buy $100 worth of a quality butyl mat instead - just spread it out. Even if you lay it out in a checkerboard pattern, you will get results that are at least as good, without any of the problems.
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does ruber butyl stink up your car?
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does ruber butyl stink up your car?

No, but be careful - several products sold for this purposeintentionally want to confuse you between rubber and butyl. Rubber is a butyl-like material and asphalt has rubber added to it. Be real sure it is butyl you are getting. At least one company is outright lying and saying their asphalt mat is butyl.
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yeah, now you've learned first hand that sometimes saving a buck can cost more in the end.... I'd say rip it out & start over... check out b-quiet, there comperable to dynamat & a bit cheaper...
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yeah, now you've learned first hand that sometimes saving a buck can cost more in the end.... I'd say rip it out & start over... check out b-quiet, there comperable to dynamat & a bit cheaper...

But only B-Quiet Ultimate. B-Quiet Extreme is asphalt and I curse them for selling it. Also look at Second Skin and RAAMmat.
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The Black Hole Mat is a very good rubber based product. No smell and can be applied very easily with just a small amount of heat if you need to get it into tight crevices.
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Well, I still have the front doors and trunk to do, so maybe I will try butyl(if I cant find it). I think the main reason why I chose Blueskin was because I could actually find it. The shops around here which actually sell sound dampening products usually charge a ridiculous price, so its hard to find anything decent. Please tell me more about this Black Hole product. Where can I get it? A google search yeilded no results.

However, the good news is that my Blueskin doesnt smell anymore (even after I left the car out in the sun for 11 hrs). Now I have to worry about how to keep it on permanently. I dont want it to fall off after 2, 3 yrs like Rudy said. Any suggestions on what I could use? Maybe I can use some sort of super glue to glue the edges of my Blueskin to the sheetmetal? I cannot rip out all of the Blueskin because it is stuck on pretty tight. The best I can do is maybe peel a bit of the edges off.
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fair enough ruby i was just sorta wondering, because adding mass to the door panels will somewhat lower the amount of vibrations, but of course for the sound deadening, it won't do much for killing sound waves, but it will make it more difficult for the sound to pass through.

Oh, +1 for Second Skin Damplifier... that's what i have in my car
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is edead v1se butyl?

v1SE is asphalt,
v1SEČ is butyl and what they are selling on their Web site now. It loses points though for having an extemely flimsy foil layer - won't melt or fall off, but one of the least effective butyl products you can buy.
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