Front Stage Suggestions - Page 2

RedGTiVR6 · 07-18-2007, 12:04 PM

Thing is, it's not going to help me if I don't know your car, your amps, power, how much air space you have to work with, how you're going to build that enclosure, what frequencies they will be playing, etc.

It's truely a project where you have to take everything into account, at this level it's not just pulling a box of the shelf and running with it. If you're wanting to run subs in the front, you need to look at the frequencies your components are going to play and determine if the subs will fit in there. Also need to consider if you have the hardware to properly tune such a set-up.

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 12:09 PM

Ok lets see.....

05 Pontiac grand Am

Running a 3/4th mdf sealed Sub Enclosure...

power is 4 Kinetics Batteries In Trunk

200 amp alternator

Was thinking about putting those 5 inch subs in kick panals like this...

Mainly listen to Rock.. Contempary.. Alternative.. Dance With some Occasional Rap

Hope that helps...

Now I am going to Owe you a steak dinner

BenOBS · 07-18-2007, 12:13 PM

The only things I want to point out is your gonna need a very powerfull frontstage to keep up whit 2000w of bass, especially whit a monster like this.

Depending on what you want to achieve, the xover frequancy you want on the sub and your volume target, you'll need more/less bass or mid-bass from the components wooffers... This could have a big impact on your choice.

BenOBS · 07-18-2007, 12:14 PM

Oups, your were too fast Red.. hehe

Area, what about amps?

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 12:39 PM

Was Going to use this one for the front

SPECIFICATIONS:

* 100 x 4 watts @ 4 ohms
* 160 x 4 watts @ 2 ohms
* 320 x 2 watts @ 4 ohms bridged
* Damping Factor > 200 @ 4 Ohms
* 0.2v - 6v adjustable input sensitivity
* 10 Hz - 40,000 Hz Frequency Response
* Channel Separations: 75 dB
* > 90 dB S/N Ratio
* 4-Way Protection Circuit (Thermal, Overload, Speaker Short, and Over Current)
* Selectable HP / LP / FULL crossover
* CH 1 & 2 Variable HP crossover 50 - 5000 Hz @ 12 dB
* CH 1 & 2 Variable LP crossover 30 - 250 Hz @ 12 dB
* CH 3 & 4 Variable HP crossover 50 - 1000 Hz @ 12 dB
* CH 3 & 4 Variable LP crossover 50 - 5000 Hz @ 12 dB
* 10 Hz - 100 Hz variable subsonic filter (CH 1&2 and CH 3&4)
* Subsonic filter allows for band-passed crossover configuration
* 0 - 18 dB adjustable bass boost
* 35 - 120 Hz Variable Bass Boost Center Frequency
* Wired Remote Control unit included
* 3x 30 Amp Internal Fuses
* 16.5" L x 9.9" W x 2" H

And this one for the sub

# 3000 x 1 watts @ 1 ohm
# 1600 x 1 watts @ 2 ohms
# 800 x 1 watts @ 4 ohms
# 0.2v - 6v adjustable input sensitivity
# 10 Hz - 350 Hz Frequency Response
# >90 dB S/N Ratio
# 4-Way Protection Circuit (Thermal, Overload, Speaker Short, and Over Current)
# Linkable to another SAZ-3000D for up to 6000 watts @ 2 ohms
# 35 Hz - 300 Hz adjustable 24dB Low-Pass Crossover
# 10 Hz - 60 Hz adjustable 24dB Subsonic Filter
# 0 - 180 degree adjustable phase shift
# 0 - 18 dB adjustable bass boost with 45 Hz center frequency
# Wired Remote Control unit included
# 300-amp external fuse required (not included)
# 23.4" L x 9.9" W x 2" H

Prob Will Cross the Sub over At About 80 hz - 85 hz

durwood · 07-18-2007, 01:12 PM

If everything is going off-axis in the doors then alot of car audio specific drivers are designed for that, although there are some good combos of raw drivers that work good too. Pre-built kick panels are so-so. I mentioned in another thread that kick panels need a lot of work to get the full potential out of them. A set of pre-builts will get you in the area of good staging, but could lack midbass output.

Going with a factory door mount 2-way, you are really going to have to focus on a tweeter that can play fairly low (if the woofer is mounted off-axis) and work great off-axis if they are mounted as such.

If you have room in your sails for a large format tweet (~4" diameter) you will have some good options. Hiquphon OW, Peerless HDS, Scanspeak 6600 are some really great tweeters.

Even if you do pick up a set of car components, you might still want to consider the active crossover route vs passive. Even though passive crossovers are designed for the speaker set, they are not designed with every car in mind. And as scott mentioned, Install is about 90% of how well something is implemented and how it will sound.

Don't forget to leave room in your budget for dampening materials if accurate sound is your goal.

I'll leave you with two VERY addicting sites if you want to investigate the DIY realm or pre-packaged systems. There is nothing wrong with pre-packaged, I just prefer experimenting myself.

www.zaphaudio.com
www.diymobileaudio.com

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 01:44 PM

I dont want this to become Complicated I just want a Simple Wow componet Set.....

After Starring At the Tymphany site It Looks All To Confusing lol

What Would I need for my own componet set?

Tweeter.. Mid Woofer and Woofer?

or Tweeter mid Driver Mid woofer and woofer?

durwood · 07-18-2007, 01:58 PM

Ah ok. I thought you would be into something like that. Nothing wrong with simple.

A couple other component sets to look at...

Alpine F1 SPX-Z15
Genesis Absolute 2.2

Both of those use car variant scanspeaks

Too bad you probably won't be able to audition them since not too many places carry the highend stuff.

EDIT: Doh I was thinking the K2 were the utopias for some reason. That stuff I linked is probably out of your budget.

DLS has some nice sets. So does Rainbow. You will get similar performance to the focal stuff, but it's going to be dependant on tastes. I haven't heard any of these personally so I can't really rank them for you. I am only providing options.

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 02:06 PM

Have You ever heard the Morel Elate 3 ways?

Hmm You said alpine and Highend in the Same Paragraph

Im sorry I Just do not Like how Alpines Sound.....

I will look into thier Componets Though..

Thier cd players Aint to bad Cept the look like they came from the 80s lol

BenOBS · 07-18-2007, 02:08 PM

Have a look at the CDT ES-07 comps. 7" woofers that make amazing bass and have very good response in the upper frequancy. Plus, they can take alot of power. And if you plan to stay passive, CDT are know to have some very well calibrated xover.

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 02:13 PM

Nope let me look...

The Alpines Are very low in power

durwood · 07-18-2007, 02:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Area3

Have You ever heard the Morel Elate 3 ways?

Hmm You said alpine and Highend in the Same Paragraph

Im sorry I Just do not Like how Alpines Sound.....

I will look into thier Componets Though..

Thier cd players Aint to bad Cept the look like they came from the 80s lol

I heard the Morels midgrade line or one step down from the high end stuff has a better european sound whereas the high end line is tailored for the US bright tweeter market.

Alpine has it's high end stuff. Nothign funny about it. Like I said, the F1 speakers are made by scanspeak and the component set has a MSRP of $1800

Quote: Originally Posted by BenOBS

Have a look at the CDT ES-07 comps. 7" woofers that make amazing bass and have very good response in the upper frequancy. Plus, they can take alot of power. And if you plan to stay passive, CDT are know to have some very well calibrated xover.

Those are decent too. Those midbass drivers and I think tweeters are made by Vifa.

Area3 · 07-18-2007, 02:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BenOBS

Have a look at the CDT ES-07 comps. 7" woofers that make amazing bass and have very good response in the upper frequancy. Plus, they can take alot of power. And if you plan to stay passive, CDT are know to have some very well calibrated xover.

Wow Those CDT's Are nice.... 10 Year Warrenty Very Nice!

Have you ever heard them?

BenOBS · 07-18-2007, 02:21 PM

Read my signature.. hehe

edit, and my avatar...

durwood · 07-18-2007, 02:24 PM

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products...hp?lan=2&pro=1

I have heard great things from the Vanadium Line