Help on speaker setup, PLEASE!!!!!!!! - Page 2

soundman98 · 06-29-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by digital79

Usually people go with components, so they can have a separated tweeter, and them mount it at ear level, and not so low. It's OK though, you can still get better quality than with coaxials. It's just less common to have tweeters so low, as they bring the sound stage down.

a properly setup speaker set in the kick panels will sound just as good if not better than the tweeters mounted up in the pillars(because the tweeters would be nearly on axis w/ the mids). this is becasue humans can hear distance much easier than we hear height.

the time alignment idea will only work if you either: 1: run a active setup(each speaker has its own amplifier channel), and setup a time delay for each individual speaker, or 2: run a computer controlled highpass/lowpass arrangement with separate time delay settings for each, and then combine the signals after the time delay is processed. if you setup a time delay for only the left/right channels, it will apply those same settings to both the mid and tweeter-- and wont get the tweeter sound waves any closer to the mid soundwaves.

hijack, I deffinately recomend you stop by some audio forums, there are many different ways to accomplish a great sounding setup, and it really varies with personal preferance, vehicle, overall cost, and what you want it to sound like.

jake789 · 06-29-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by thekl0wn

I would have to append this statement.... Mount your baffle to the stock door. Then mount the mid to the baffle.

HiJackZX1 - Follow this guide for your midbass door setup. Don't leave out the deadener as it will make a big difference!

HiJackZX1 · 06-30-2009, 02:13 PM

UGHHHHHHHHH, It would help if I told you guys the speakers, my bad.....

The speakers I want are these: http://alpine-usa.com/US-en/products...?model=SPR-17S They are 6 1/2 Alpine SPR-17S.

The center and phone speakers will be these: http://alpine-usa.com/US-en/products...?model=SPR-57C They are 5 x 7 Coaxial 2 way speakers.

digital79 · 06-30-2009, 02:18 PM

Tweeters are different on the component and coax models. You may notice a difference in sound when something that is being played on center moves to the side. It's a good idea to keep center and L/R of same type.

HiJackZX1 · 06-30-2009, 03:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by digital79

Tweeters are different on the component and coax models. You may notice a difference in sound when something that is being played on center moves to the side. It's a good idea to keep center and L/R of same type.

So what your saying is I should put a 6 1/2 in the dash tooooooooo. I do not have the room for that

soundman98 · 06-30-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

So what your saying is I should put a 6 1/2 in the dash tooooooooo. I do not have the room for that

but you have room for a 5x7? then look into using a component 5 1/4" of the same model line as the door speakers.

HiJackZX1 · 06-30-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by soundman98

but you have room for a 5x7? then look into using a component 5 1/4" of the same model line as the door speakers.

The width of the speaker isnt an issue, its the depth of it. The 6 1/2 is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper. Im going to have to research the center some more.

HiJackZX1 · 06-30-2009, 03:57 PM

I understand what you all are saying now. What speakers do you guys recommend? I want something similar to the Alpine specs, but is also similarly priced, but is all the same type of speaker, like all coaxial, etc.

soundman98 · 06-30-2009, 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

The width of the speaker isnt an issue, its the depth of it. The 6 1/2 is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper. Im going to have to research the center some more.

according to alpines site, the 6 1/2 is 4/16" less than the 5x7 in mounting depth...

HiJackZX1 · 07-01-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by soundman98

according to alpines site, the 6 1/2 is 4/16" less than the 5x7 in mounting depth...

OH really, you can see how much research I have done, lol.... I was going by looks. Let me ask though, wont it be odd to have a center though thats component? 99.9% of the time its only vocals that come out of the center. Wont it be too much bass?

soundman98 · 07-01-2009, 02:33 PM

because most of the movie dialogue is going through that channel, it makes it all the more important that it is very clear and articulate, but at the same time, the left/right pair should be just as good, otherwise, anything panning from center to either side will sound different as it makes its transition.

the amount of bass really depends on the signal that you are feeding it. for referance, a 5.1 home theater system is usually setup to pass anything above 80hz to the fullrange speakers.

the from a sound quality standpoint, like digital79 said, it is best to keep all the speakers the same, so the sound isn't way differnet when the sound switches between speakers.

there has also been arguments in the past about how poorly oval speakers work, and that, because of their odd cone shapes, have a tendency to cancel out certain waves and distort easier at higher volume-- mostly because the farthest outer portion of the cone on both sides could potentially move at different rates than the rest of the cone.

I recomended using a component 5 1/4 for the center channel, becasue if space is an issue, and you could only fit a 5x7(instead of the 6 1/2), a 5 1/4 would also fit, and should, in theory, have the same overall sound proerties as the 6 1/2 in the doors.

HiJackZX1 · 07-01-2009, 03:03 PM

I really don't want to go 5 1/4 because I refuse to mod my doors to fit them. The dash on the other hand, I have modded so much I do not mind. The only thing that sucks is that I will end up with a extra speaker that I do not need. The phone speaker has to stay oval, and really doesn't have to be a component. A 2-way would be fine.

Thanks so much guys for all your input. I really appreciate it.

soundman98 · 07-01-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HiJackZX1

I really don't want to go 5 1/4 because I refuse to mod my doors to fit them. The dash on the other hand, I have modded so much I do not mind. The only thing that sucks is that I will end up with a extra speaker that I do not need. The phone speaker has to stay oval, and really doesn't have to be a component. A 2-way would be fine.

Thanks so much guys for all your input. I really appreciate it.

look at the extra speaker as insurance in case you mess one up

HiJackZX1 · 07-10-2009, 12:58 PM

Im backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, lol

I was just browsing through the net, and I came across these. http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...&idproduct=551 Are these any good? I am still lost on the whole RMS and Peak thing. It says they handle 150 RMS and 400 Peak.

I would like to ask about Cadence in general. They seem to make unique speakers, and are in alot of competitions, or so they say.

soundman98 · 07-10-2009, 01:06 PM

they should pair up perfectly with the pdx 4.100.

rms/max extremely simplified(there is more to figuring out these numbers than this, but for comparison purposes, these are the general rules):

rms is the max wattage the speaker can take for a really long time
max is the wattage that it can only take for very brief times, otherwise it will blow.

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