Why not PC speakers? - Page 3

art76 · 03-16-2006, 04:33 AM

I just registered to post here and say that is the funniest thing I have read!

I'd write something witty to go with the original posters question but I can't stop laughing.

Good go..

A76

SiGmA_X · 03-17-2006, 05:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by art76

I just registered to post here and say that is the funniest thing I have read!

I'd write something witty to go with the original posters question but I can't stop laughing.

Good go..

A76

Yeah, this was VERY entertaining to me too. Oh well, I remember in highschool one of my friends thought this was a good idea.. We talked him out of it, but it was hard.

art76 · 03-17-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SiGmA_X

Yeah, this was VERY entertaining to me too. Oh well, I remember in highschool one of my friends thought this was a good idea.. We talked him out of it, but it was hard.

Yeah I think I've had some work mates ask about this before also but end of the day I think I just said, 'Well have you seen anyone else do it?'

I guess we just need to see someone like the OP do this and hopefully come back to a forum like this and tell everyone not to do it. Pride is a ***** though and doubt they will.

A76

checksum · 03-17-2006, 05:48 PM

ok ok, you talk me out of it, but I am still not convinced. My only hurdle here is power, all you guys talked about certain frequency range not being covered by the speakers, I don't beleive it will make a lot of difference, you won't even notice.

Quote: Originally Posted by 3onDubs

Round Hurr We Like To Use Things For What They Were Made For

Since when these PCs were made to be put in a car?

Mandos · 03-17-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by checksum

ok ok, you talk me out of it, but I am still not convinced. My only hurdle here is power, all you guys talked about certain frequency range not being covered by the speakers, I don't beleive it will make a lot of difference, you won't even notice.

I'm sorry, but it makes a MASSIVE difference.

Think of your favorite song, now start removing the lower male vocals, bass guitars, and kick drums...that's what it'd end up sounding like in a car. Or maybe...what's a good analogy...if you drive a manual, remove 2nd gear from your car...that's about the same thing...you WILL notice it unless you have some serious hearing loss.

Or worse yet, if the x-over on a PC sub is set high enough, you get this annoying boomyness from the rear and it sounds like you're listening to a PA system.

Trust us please, or better yet, try it, then come back and tell us we were right all along...but it's REALLY not worth it.

3onDubs · 03-17-2006, 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by checksum

ok ok, you talk me out of it, but I am still not convinced. My only hurdle here is power, all you guys talked about certain frequency range not being covered by the speakers, I don't beleive it will make a lot of difference, you won't even notice.

Since when these PCs were made to be put in a car?

Since they built power supplies and regulators with start up/shut down controllers.

checksum · 03-17-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mandos

I'm sorry, but it makes a MASSIVE difference.

Think of your favorite song, now start removing the lower male vocals, bass guitars, and kick drums...that's what it'd end up sounding like in a car. Or maybe...what's a good analogy...if you drive a manual, remove 2nd gear from your car...that's about the same thing...you WILL notice it unless you have some serious hearing loss.

Or worse yet, if the x-over on a PC sub is set high enough, you get this annoying boomyness from the rear and it sounds like you're listening to a PA system.

Trust us please, or better yet, try it, then come back and tell us we were right all along...but it's REALLY not worth it.

Come on now, you mean to tell me that if I take my 5.1 PC speakers and put them in the car, they are going to sound worse than stereo speakers just because the car in moving? I have to see it to beleive it. What if you close the windows? For me it's just like taking them to another location, and I don't beleive opening the windows would make such a big difference. It might be true what you are saying, but this is something I have to experience on my own before I can beleive it.

Quote: Originally Posted by 3onDubs

Since they built power supplies and regulators with start up/shut down controllers.

Yeah right, only those 2.
90% of the hardware that most people are using here were never built to be put inside a car.

tj!2k4 · 03-17-2006, 08:04 PM

JUST DO iT ALREADY!!

art76 · 03-18-2006, 01:49 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by tj!2k4

JUST DO iT ALREADY!!

I second that motion, in fact I'll even donate $10 (Paypal) to the cause as long as you document the process. Maybe more depending on how much detail you put into it.

But I think you needs some rules... 1st from point above is that the PC Speakers must sound good in all environments that car speakers can. So that includes windows open, including A/C on, high speed driving because it's not like your not going to use these to save a few supposed dollars by using them in the first place.

PC's have proven themselves in harsher environments than the inside of a car already so don't worry about them, I mean have you seen most (frustrated) office users?!?!

A76

mbuchman · 03-18-2006, 02:02 AM

If you properly deadened your car, and mounted your speakers right, then it would almost sound as you would expect, with the windows up of course, but computer speakers are just not a good match for the car enviornment. You could always run an electrical cord to your car, then place the speakers on your dash and rear deck, turn on your car, turn on the air conditioning, and listen to music. I think it will just sound empty to you.

However, I give you credit for not going into tilt and running your mouth like most people do. Just for listening to what other people are saying gives you credibility in my book.

-Matt

RedGTiVR6 · 03-20-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by checksum

You show me any car speakers, and I will show you a competing PC speaker that matches its sound quality with even more power.
PC speakers have come a long way, from stereo sound to 7.1 THX surround sound. Nowadays PC speakers can go up to 700W of power with sound quality that can compete against any major sound theater system,, and they are compact enough to fit in a car, even with the enclosure, just have to find the right way to mount it, since they all come with brakets.

To tell you the truth, I wanted to go with my 500W 5.1 PC speakers ( these speakers only cost me 300.00). but I did a lot of research and come out empty on how to power it in the car. I would need a 500W pure sine inverter wich costs around $500.00 to power it. But beside that, I don't think you would notice the difference between these PC speakers and the Car speakers.

*cough* *cough* *cough* bull**** *cough* *cough* *chough*

http://www.utopia-be.com/Products/Number7.htm

and compete with major sound theatre system?

you really havent gotten out much have you?

lol

you also haven't experienced a car that sounds worth a damn to sit there and talk about how you won't hear a difference, and I'm NOT just talking about high quality/high end car audio systems

this thread is just so funny on so many different levels.

here's a guy who is apparently pretty uneducated on a topic, comes in asking why can't you do this or that, then wants to fight it tooth and nail when people we are more educated than he says it's just not a bright thing to do. BRILLIANT!

*throws popcorn in microwave*

3onDubs · 03-20-2006, 12:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by checksum

90% of the hardware that most people are using here were never built to be put inside a car.

DVD players weren't originally designed to be put into cars as neither were radios. Seats were originally not designed for cars as well. Wheels...believe it or not, originally not designed for cars. Carpet....what do you know? Another winner!

Have you ever watched Pimp my Ride? Do you think that a DJ booth was designed to be in some one's car? Do you think that PSP's were designed to slide back and forth on people's trunk lids? Do you think that ping pong tables were designed for people to play on their truck bed's? Do you think that plasma's were designed for rear seat passengers? Do you think that digital cameras were designed to sit in sun visors?

NO.

Q: Then why do people do things differently?
A: To be tighter

Q: Then why shouldn't i put pc speakers in my car?
A: Because it's not tight.

Q: Why not?
A: Because it will sound worse than car speakers. People don't generally downgrade for no reason...that's not tight.

Q: Why?
A: Try it and see for yourself

Q: Why?
A: So you can stop asking these stupid questions.

Q: Why?
A: Ok, now your starting to get annoying

Q: Why?
A: Fukouttaheredude/

DarquePervert · 03-20-2006, 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by checksum

To tell you the truth, I wanted to go with my 500W 5.1 PC speakers ( these speakers only cost me 300.00). but I did a lot of research and come out empty on how to power it in the car. I would need a 500W pure sine inverter wich costs around $500.00 to power it. But beside that, I don't think you would notice the difference between these PC speakers and the Car speakers.

Then you go right ahead and install your PC speakers in your car and let us know how the sound quality is.
What amazes me is that you ask a question about why people are doing things a certain way and people who have extensive knowledge about it tell you exactly why they do, but you argue with them tooth and nail, thinking your novice idea is the better solution.

You're just like some of my clients. I'm a certified technician with five yearts experience in a particular software package, yet when I tell clients how to accomplish something or why something works the way it works, they want to argue with me about it.
So I tell them to go ahead and test out their theory and report back, just like I told you.

I fully expect that you, just like my argumentative clients, will come back and tell us that it didn't work as well as you believed.

If you don't like what the experts have to say, then don't consult the experts and figure the **** out on your own.

Pass the popcorn, Jan. This is about to get even more entertaining.

fooshizn1x · 03-20-2006, 12:39 PM

It looks like you already own the PC speakers that you want to install in your car so why dont you just park your car in the garage and run an extension cord into the car through the window or trunk or whatever, mount your speakers with some duct tape or similar (for testing purposes only) and hook it up to your stereo or a nearby computer and play whatever it is that you enjoy listening to.. although this wont give you 100% real world testing experience it will let you see how it sounds. (you wont get to account for road noise and stuff. ) Im with the majority that it wont sound as good as speakers designed for a car, its more difficult to install due to their shape and size, and there isnt an easy way to power them... I agree for $300 you could get a decent entry level setup that would sound superior to the pc speakers, and be designed to work properly in their environment. good luck.. let us know how it goes.

checksum · 03-20-2006, 03:11 PM

First of all, I am not trying to be funny or fight with anybody here. I am here to learn and to exchange ideas just like everybody else. If I have something in my mind I will speak up regardless of what other people think, even though it may sound stupid. Why am I being so stubborn?? Because nobody has convinced me to my satisfaction that this is a bad idea or it will not work. Most of you have more experience than I do about carputers as I am pretty much a n00b about this stuff, but very experienced when it comes to computers and electronic in general.
I did not know about carputer until I came by this site recently, I thought that was a great idea, I went through and did a lot of reading in the forum about what it is all about, how people have done it and what is required. I found out the sound system was a big bottleneck with the installation because a lot of people were asking about amplifiers, do I have the right amplifier? which amplifier should I buy? I need a second amplifier for my sub, how much power do I need, etc... I have never installed a car amplifier or owned one, so I did a little homework and found out that you would have to spend somewhere around $400.00 to $500.00 to get a decent sound system (2 amps+2 FS+2RS+1SUB).
So it came to my mind one day, if you can put your computer in your car then WHY NOT USE YOUR PC SPEAKERS??? At least they were meant to be used with the computer, and you wouldn't have to worry about the amp, it is cheaper and easier to install. I have a 5.1 speaker system on my computer right now, cost me only $300.00, that can put out 500W (simultaneously all amplifier channels driven), the amp is built in the sub, the sub is rated at 170W. I don't even put the volume 1/4 of the way before my neighbors start complaining about how loud the music is, crisp and clear sound. So why didn't anybody think of this, that's why I asked the question "WHY NOT PC SPEAKERS", because I was so convinced it would work.

Now you telling me:

1- Because of power requirement, PC speakers run off AC power, and it would be difficult to find an inverter to power the speakers...I agree
2- Because PC speakers would be difficult to mount inside a car because of their enclosure....I agree
It is not like I am going to take some duck tape and mount the speakers like some people have said, these satellites speakers are small enough to fit inside the space reserved for the car speakers, with careful planning you can mount them nicely.

3- Because they would sound just like regular stereo speakers, just because it is in a different environment. That they will sound so bad just because the car is moving and you have your window opened or the ac is on or you are driving at 60mph...( and this because some frequencies range not being covered by the speakers)... I DO NOT BUY THAT AT ALL ( not that it is not true, but I just can't take your word for it because it does not make sense to me), and as far as I am concerned none of you have done the experience to be able to say for sure, everyone is just talking just theory here.
I am no sound engineer to be able to determine which frequencies are covered or not, but I can tell good sound from bad, and I can differentiate between the lows mids and highs coming from a speaker system. It's not like I am going to host a concert in my car or compete at a championship for car audio, all I need is good decent sound enough for my ears to be happy and I believe I can get that from my PC speakers, that will sound as good as similar rated car speakers.

I will go ahead and do the experience, just to convince myself whether it will work or not. And I will come back here and post my findings. It won't cost me much anyway since I already have the speakers, all i have to buy is a $50.00 350W inverter to test it, being careful not to put the volume too high.

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