Volume %

Cheekz185 · 03-15-2006, 01:29 PM

Is it possible to change how the volume moves up and down. Like I notice everytime you click it it goes up/down by like 7%, is there any way yo change it to go up/down every click just by 1 or 2 %?

veetid · 03-15-2006, 01:41 PM

I increased the change in this version because 1% change on a logorithimic scale is not audible... It is actually lowering by 2db every click.. It use to go by 1db...

david

Cheekz185 · 03-15-2006, 01:42 PM

Is there any way to change it?

veetid · 03-15-2006, 02:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cheekz185

Is there any way to change it?

not currently...

david

cold_fusion · 03-16-2006, 05:04 PM

Hi David,

Will there be plans to re-introduce the linear volume control in future releases?

The reason I ask is I can't quite get my head round the reason of having a logarithmic scale

I have an Audigy 2 in my carPC. From 0% to around 80% the change in volume is minimal (at 0% there is still sound). Then after 80% the change is greater. The difference from 89% to 91% (ie one click of the up volume button - it goes up 3% each time) is mindblowing

. 89% is that bit too quiet and 91% is too loud.

Because of the scale being logarithmic the ability to make small volume changes has gone.

As I see it (sorry if i'm completely off target) the logarithmic scale is controlling a linear scale within windows, which is then controlling a logarithmic dB scale on the soundcard via the soundcard drivers. Surely that is making life more complicated and introducing unneeded trouble? especially since each soundcard handles things differently.

Surely it would be easier to use the standard linear control?

Could this be introduced as an option e.g. logarithmic or linear volume and perhaps let people choose by how many % the volume increases per click via an option in setup. This gives people the option to pick how the volume works. I can only see this as being good especially with all the different types of hardware out there.

What do you think?

alti · 03-16-2006, 05:15 PM

This is what i tried to post in one of the 1.6 bug threads, but i think you have explained it better then i did.

I am having the same issues, the volume changes above 89% are simply unbarible, and i still have lots of sound comming out of the speakers when the volume is a 0%

my soundcard is a soundblaster XFI, I also have a 4 channel Kicker amp.

please at least make it an option to change to normal volume control. Personaly I cannot deal with the way it is.

I dont doubt this might sound good on whatever sound hardware you are using on your setup, but i do not think it is working as you intended with differnt hardware setups.

veetid · 03-16-2006, 05:36 PM

I will see if I can find whats going on, but linear will give you the same problems... almost all your sound changes will be between 0% to 15%....

I just need to narrow down my logarithmic scale... Not sure why you would have sound at 0%, I will look into that...

The problem might be that some sound cards already implement this internally... I simply control the windows mixer assuming it's linear and convert to logarithmic.. It might be possible some sound cards already have the mixer in a logarithmic scale, which would cause problems...

if you open your windows mixer and you move the volume slider barely at the bottom of the scale in windows mixer, you should hear a drastic change in volume... If you do the same on the upper end of the scale you can barely notice any change at all, this is linear... this is not good...

if your windows mixer has a smooth transition already from bottom to the top, then the conversion I do would not be neccesary...

david

cold_fusion · 03-17-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by veetid

It might be possible some sound cards already have the mixer in a logarithmic scale, which would cause problems...

if you open your windows mixer and you move the volume slider barely at the bottom of the scale in windows mixer, you should hear a drastic change in volume... If you do the same on the upper end of the scale you can barely notice any change at all, this is linear... this is not good...

if your windows mixer has a smooth transition already from bottom to the top, then the conversion I do would not be neccesary...

david

Hi David,

I believe this may be the case. I did a couple of tests on PC indoors and CarPC using the standard windows volume.

My indoors PC uses the onboard Realtek ALC880 HD codec and CarPC uses creative audigy 2.

On the realtek when increasing the master volume between 0-40% the volume increase is larger than when increasing volume further up the scale (theres still enough variation tho I reckon). A point to note is when doing the same on the wave volume control the increase is smooth.

On the audigy 2 in the car both the master and wave volumes increase smoothly - so I believe this is where the problem lies. Being more of a hardware soundcard, creative look to have built the logarithmic function into the drivers, so this isn't needed at your end.

With the Realtek being onboard, perhaps the developers didn't bother or weren't able to...i dunno.

Alti also mentions using a Creative SB XFI, so again the same theory could apply.

Based on this would it be best to let the end user determine their style of volume control, based on their hardware?

Hope this helps!

dune · 04-12-2006, 03:47 PM

Indeed, user selectable option is best. Linear or logarithmic volume control?

I'm having a similar issue with my SB X-Fi... I hear barely anything until about 85% with a normal listening volume about 93%. If I want it a little louder, I have to go to 97% which is blasting and 100% is not an option. If I equate CF's 93% volume to the Widnows main volume control, it's only at half-way. 97% is 3/4 way and 100% is of course full volume.

Thoughts?

PhatMo · 04-14-2006, 12:47 AM

I have the same problem with the X-Fi..It seems that at some points if you press volume up once it gets too loud and if you hit volume down its too quiet..it needs more points in the 80 and 90 percent range..I wouldnt mind if the volume jumps fast from 0% to 85% and then after that if it were to just go up one percent at a time? I do now know if that is possible or not...just an idea

dune · 04-15-2006, 03:53 PM

Maybe logarithmic makes sense but flip it around, where the changes are more discrete at higher volumes.