1.7 still too 'click-happy'?

justintime · 07-19-2006, 03:45 PM

Im just curious... does anyone else find that CF is waaay to click happy for a touchscreen?

Im finding myself clicking 2-3 more times than in 1.4 for just about every single task.

I see only single-click support in the song list. And when in full screen mode for any app (embedded, etc.) you need to go regular screen, and then go to menu dropdown, and then select wherever you want to go.

I thought this was feedback given from CF 1.6, and I was hoping flux would consider revising this.

Not complaining, but I personally find it frustrating to navigate in a TS environment.

L-U-R-C-H · 07-19-2006, 05:04 PM

To be honest, I found that the drop down menu isn't very helpful in my case. I just hit the back button and it works just as good. Do we really need a drop-down?

veetid · 07-19-2006, 05:08 PM

Both are two clicks, but with the drop down you sometimes get 2 clicks when hitting back and then having to go through the forward/back arrows on the main screen, it turns into 3 or more clicks...

If you want access to the main buttons while in full screen, justintime, simply edit the fullscreen x,y,width,height in the skin.xml file to still show the top, so you have access to the drop down... maybe this is less clicks for you...

david

justintime · 07-19-2006, 06:41 PM

Well, although the main menu cliciking can get annoying, it is the double clicking that really kills the experience. As much as I want to get used to this new CF (lookg great), the click here click there thing (or double-click, or hold click, as the case may be) is not really usable for me.

Great job, I do think this however is a serious miss for a CarPC application. I wish you would reconsider, but that's only my wish

L-U-R-C-H · 07-19-2006, 07:01 PM

I agree. For CarPC applications, the single click feature is the way to go.

ryan-neil · 07-19-2006, 07:05 PM

Yeah, i agree with this,

RPM_VR4 · 07-19-2006, 07:20 PM

Don't you use RR now JIT? I'm still in the process of making a skin I am happy with and switching, but so far I am very impressed with the speed and reliability of RR compared to CF (plus MilkDrop, custom skins for every embedded app, browse music without albums, etc.). Seeing this RC1 release just confirmed my decision that it is time to make my own RR skin and get off the CF boat. (if you do use RR, what skin?)

justintime · 07-19-2006, 07:59 PM

I used RR for a while, but got too busy to get it all running the way I would like it to. I am not totally decided, but I think I might port that NEXUS skin to RR, and get everything I want. I only wish we had a permanent top header and single clicks on CF. Stuff that I used in CF 1.4 about 80% of the time is now gone, and Im a creature of habits. I really liked single clicking back/forth between Music and Navi. Its unbearable for me the way it is in latest versions.

justintime · 07-19-2006, 08:37 PM

To be clear, I think I have deviced a way to get single click between NAVI and MEDIA, but it requires extensive re-engineering of the skin. Plus, it is more of a workaround, or a hack, if you will.

veetid · 07-19-2006, 08:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by justintime

To be clear, I think I have deviced a way to get single click between NAVI and MEDIA, but it requires extensive re-engineering of the skin. Plus, it is more of a workaround, or a hack, if you will.

It's not hard to design into the skin. When you design the main section, place the 6 main buttons on the top, left, etc... You also place an up/down or left/right arrow somewhere globally.

Then make sure each section never covers those buttons and they will still work just fine. You can disable the menu button and not even have it in your skin.

We are still looking and thinking about good ideas to add single click back into My Library as well...

I don't think it would be a hack and it was tested by another user with a 1.6 skin...

david

justintime · 07-19-2006, 09:57 PM

David,

Yes, that is exactly what I had deviced, most likely based on your tips from previous threads back when 1.6 came out. But you must realize it is indeed a ton of work to adapt a skin to do that.

Might be worth a try, but too afraid to spend any time on XML for the third time, only to see substantial changes in a further revision. Once you release a final version of CF I will re-evaluate. For now I think I have pretty much given up on the usability for a CarPC application. Very ironic, and a little frustrating -- been wanting to make this work for me so bad!

Great job on the rest of the app, it's shaping up very well otherwise.

justintime · 07-21-2006, 12:14 PM

In case anyone is interested, I found a way to:
1) Eliminate the drop down menu, and
2) Always have a way to go 'back' to main menu with one click, even in embedded apps,
3) Even in fullscreen mode.

I am too lazy to elaborate, but yes it's done now.

If we could get single click back, then I am officially an adopter of CF.

veetid · 07-21-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by justintime

In case anyone is interested, I found a way to:
1) Eliminate the drop down menu, and
2) Always have a way to go 'back' to main menu with one click, even in embedded apps,
3) Even in fullscreen mode.

I am too lazy to elaborate, but yes it's done now.

If we could get single click back, then I am officially an adopter of CF.

Could you explain how you did this, just curious?

david

turbocad6 · 07-21-2006, 01:45 PM

me too

justintime · 07-21-2006, 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by veetid

Could you explain how you did this, just curious?

david

Only if you add Single Click back!

OK, seriously now, here's how to do it:
1) You put the 'back' button at the top left where the 'drop down' menu is currently located.
2) You eliminate the drop down menu altogether, by giving it a bogus location, a zero zero size, or however else you want to handle it.
3) Now, on your fullscreen embed app XML parameters, you set it up so that it goes fullscreen but leaves the top menu bar always available. (You set the Y coordinate to 52 pixels or so)
4) Also, you would want to get rid of the additional fullscreen menu bar which is in my opinion not needed, and takes too much space. (contains OSK, close, etc. buttons).

My Lexus Skin is now adapted to work this way, and is sooooooo much more usable MY GOD!

So now, I click top left for Main Menu, and then switch to whatever app I want. No more drop down, no more redundancy, and also it is now always available no matter where I am located.