Centrafuse pricing - Page 4

ComradeJew · 03-16-2007, 01:19 AM

I would suggest that those who will buy the first version would be allowed to buy an "upgrade" to the new revamped version just like you can do with Windows OS; I.E. If I pay $149 for SE and version 2.0 is now out and also costs $149 making the previous version obsolete - you can offer an upgrade for option 2.0 for say half the price to make it quite an incentive.

Just my 0.02 cents. If the software is good enough - it will gain users.

SOS · 03-16-2007, 05:48 AM

Since David already announced that the 200$ for Navi is pure Destinator money, don´t expect the world from their discount :-)

f1anatic · 03-16-2007, 06:02 AM

Alright...so I read the explanations about the discount. But I am not happy. Are we getting a discount code sent to our e-mail addresses and use that when we purchase...or how does it work ? Anyone bought it yet and benefited from the discount ? Please share.

racerx9146 · 03-16-2007, 11:07 AM

I think the prices are quite reasonable. For the price of 3 tanks of super (on most cars) you get the basic software. In this day and age $124 does not buy too much. Most people would not flinch at paying that for a pair of shoes or a movie and sit down dinner for 2.

David cannot control what Destinator charges and everyone has the option of buying their own mapping software.

As for upgrades I am sure we all want David to spend time making the software better and better. As long as registered owners dont have to pay 100% price I am okay doing a major upgrade every 2 years. If David starts recoding in 6 months it means it might be quite a while before a compelling new version comes around. The guy might want to take a vacation or something!

I am excited we are close to having full version available for purchase !!!!!!
Cheers John

veetid · 03-16-2007, 12:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by justintime

After all your hard work with CF, reading that bit really depressed me. You're starting off from scratch only 6-9 months after releasing v.1.0? wow, Im floored!

this hasn't happened and could easily extend longer... Just saying we plan to always stay ahead of the game like any good software company should...

Have an RD department always looking at the next generation... If you think about it if a new version was started based on Vista features, standalone, whatever a year after this launch, then another year or two of testing and developement, this is very normal...

The current Centrafuse and new plugins and features will be around for awhile, but rest assured we will always be working on a better product for the future as to not lag behind...

note: also we will also take care of our customers with upgrades whether from SE to XE to XLE, or in a couple of years to the next version, existing customers will be treated right... We will outline it all as soon as we can....

Very busy with CeBit right now, but plan on updated the site and releasing another update this weekend, also this time I will include a new installer on the download page as well as a way to download the updates from your "My Account" page in order to copy to a car to update without internet access...

Also plan to update the site to put information about map coverage and upgrades...

david

colindunscombe · 03-16-2007, 01:56 PM

How about us guys in the UK & Europe?
Destinator(particularly in UK) is not particularly good. To my knowledge the number of PC based GPS packages(that work sensibly in the UK) is limited.
If $200 of the XLE license is for the Destinator maps, I'd love to buy it without them (@$200 less) and specify my own GPS system(like Directions PC Navigator 6).
I really like CF and intend to buy it but find it hard to justify such a price for a system, the largest proportion of which I will never use!!

Colin

veetid · 03-16-2007, 04:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by colindunscombe

How about us guys in the UK & Europe?
Destinator(particularly in UK) is not particularly good. To my knowledge the number of PC based GPS packages(that work sensibly in the UK) is limited.
If $200 of the XLE license is for the Destinator maps, I'd love to buy it without them (@$200 less) and specify my own GPS system(like Directions PC Navigator 6).
I really like CF and intend to buy it but find it hard to justify such a price for a system, the largest proportion of which I will never use!!

Colin

That is the whole point of the SE and XE versions, if you don't want to use the integrated navigation...

Also with the latest engine and updated maps the European package is not bad from all my testers that have given feedback... It also includes most all of western and eastern Europe....

They are all Navteq maps mainly...

david

hatton920 · 03-17-2007, 05:52 AM

David you said the 2 lower priced versions still come with the trial destinator. Can we still use our own maps to use and have a fully working gps system. I can buy vista for cheaper than your XLE version. Also when do you think you will have a fully working speed cam system as this would really stop me buying.

ShawJohn · 03-17-2007, 06:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by veetid

Where did you get your car computer hardware and sceen for $349, I need to look into that...

Ebay

Quote: Originally Posted by veetid

The price of XLE is solely based on our current Destinator costs... The SE version is still available and there will be multiple navigation options available for SE such as the iGuidance plugin that is on the download page as well as we plan to get a MapPoint plugin, there already is one in the forums above, on the download page soon...

It will also still come with the trial of Destinator like the current versions with the test maps...

So SE will still be packaged with Destinator

Which will work fine provided we already have maps?!?

IMO for people to even want to build a carpc they have to be able to make a significant saving over other options.

Now if the PC & Screen is going to cost anything up to £500 depending on where you buy it, Windows is likely to be £100. Another £170 for CF, Add a few other bits and all of a sudden you have something which costs a shed load of money, has no guarantees it will all work, and you have to fab and fit your self...

When you can go out and buy hardware which will work out of the bag, is easily transfered between cars, has better GPS software, plays movies and MP3, will read OBD ports, and provide mobile internet etc. And because these new PNA & PDA devices are beginning to be given the higher functions such as MP3 and internet they are going to prove more popular.

Your future market for CF is hardly likely to flurish when you charge more than most peoples OS costs!

It also slashes the number of people who will get involved in selling CarPC's because now over half their retail price is likely to be swallowed up paying software licenses, pushing their prices up, increasing the likelyhood that people are just put off at the outset due to high prices.

****ing greedy gits a destinator need to rethink what they charge. There is no way I'd pay anything like the cost of TomTom for something far inferior and less effective, not to mention nowhere near as nice looking or easy to use!

Would you not rather sell 10,000 copies at £100 than struggle to sell 1,000 copies at £170, my point is lower price to increase sales volume. Ultimately you will make far more money IMO.

We all know how hard you have worked on CF, and it shows, but come on, STOP LETTING THESE PRICKS A DESTINATOR SET YOUR PRICES! What do we get from Dest. anyway? Little support, no answers to email, failed SDK promises, slow updates, outdated maps and buggy software! How great they are

So, again, how much discount are beta tester likely to receive???

FMode · 03-17-2007, 06:39 AM

Here is another good question:
Does XLE support TMCpro ? (oh I could also ask this the Destinator guys at the Cebit...)

to the pricing (contains 2 "pieces" ?!):
-Centrafuse itself (~140)
(look at Streetdeck ! Which Frontend offers more functionality ? so I guess CF´s price is okay and doesn't need any discussion)
-Destinator (~200)
at the time of starting (and still now) there is/was no real alternative (price and features) as navigation component. But Destinator component is wrong architectured. Destinators own GUI should use the same COM object as CF. Instead the COM was added later by Destinator after their own prgramm was finished - resulting in lacking features. These lacking features were added by Destinator in request of Fluxmedia. And now Destinator certainly disallows the distribution of these new COM Object in SE and XE versions.

As you look at OpenOffice you might ask yourself why isn't there a good free (open source) navigation program.
The 200$ we now have to pay for our stoopidness. If you look at the existing frontends which were written until now you can realize how many developer hours were invested there instead of an open source mapping program - all frontends would benefit

.
These guys have own ideas for their cars (like me) but hasn't CF (or Streetdeck) a SDK (FOR own ideas) ???

You can now search for "new frontend" threads and kick those guys.

ShawJohn · 03-17-2007, 06:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by hatton920

David you said the 2 lower priced versions still come with the trial destinator. Can we still use our own maps to use and have a fully working gps system. I can buy vista for cheaper than your XLE version. Also when do you think you will have a fully working speed cam system as this would really stop me buying.

I bet the nav is unusable in the long term as it will probably have NOT FOR RESALE, OR DEMO WRTTEN ACROSS THE MAP like they have done before

And how many people here will not even bother with PhoCo after all the hastle they had trying to make it work, problems with BT stacks, dongles, and uncooperative phones...

I gave up and just bought an ordinary bluetooth handsfree kit for my car

And I have a paid license for phoco too

What I think is wrong is that you can't have NAV without having Phone. Why have an ordered upgrade path, why not just make modules and extra cost where you can select the modules you want.

Mosts EU & UK'ers don't have any requirement for XM or Sirrius etc.

People without OBD2 cars have no need for OBD.

Can you see my point? Lots of us will be paying for things we don't need!

hatton920 · 03-17-2007, 09:37 AM

I agree about phoco. I wont be using it. I tried for ages getting it to work but it just didnt not do what i wanted so now have a bluetooth headset.

JC-S60 · 03-17-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ShawJohn

I bet the nav is unusable in the long term as it will probably have NOT FOR RESALE, OR DEMO WRTTEN ACROSS THE MAP like they have done before

And how many people here will not even bother with PhoCo after all the hastle they had trying to make it work, problems with BT stacks, dongles, and uncooperative phones...

I gave up and just bought an ordinary bluetooth handsfree kit for my car

And I have a paid license for phoco too

What I think is wrong is that you can't have NAV without having Phone. Why have an ordered upgrade path, why not just make modules and extra cost where you can select the modules you want.

Mosts EU & UK'ers don't have any requirement for XM or Sirrius etc.

People without OBD2 cars have no need for OBD.

Can you see my point? Lots of us will be paying for things we don't need!

I can see your point for PhoCo, but I guess the other options (Sirius, OBD, etc) are just part of the program, while NAV and PhoCo are things that cost money for every sold license...

Maybe 4 versions would help (Without anything, Only PhoCo, Only NAV, PhoCo and NAV), but further splitting up would be overkill imo.

Joachim

veetid · 03-17-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ShawJohn

Ebay

So SE will still be packaged with Destinator

Which will work fine provided we already have maps?!?

We all know how hard you have worked on CF, and it shows, but come on, STOP LETTING THESE PRICKS A DESTINATOR SET YOUR PRICES! What do we get from Dest. anyway? Little support, no answers to email, failed SDK promises, slow updates, outdated maps and buggy software! How great they are

So, again, how much discount are beta tester likely to receive???

Details about the discount will be provided soon... There is not problem on the distributor side, these users purchase in bulk and get drastically different prices... We are also still working with Destinator to get lower prices for a retail sell....

Can't answer your question about maps, use common sense... I said I will try to include the current version of Destinator and the trial that is coming with all these Beta's and test versions...

If Destinator try's to stop that I can possibly pay to ship just the SDK and no maps with SE/XE...

david

Quote: Originally Posted by JC-S60

I can see your point for PhoCo, but I guess the other options (Sirius, OBD, etc) are just part of the program, while NAV and PhoCo are things that cost money for every sold license...

Maybe 4 versions would help (Without anything, Only PhoCo, Only NAV, PhoCo and NAV), but further splitting up would be overkill imo.

Joachim

We eat the cost of PhoCo in the XLE version, so it's not an issue... They are just parts of the program you can use or not use...

again we are trying to get a lower retail price point for Destinator, they have been very good to use on a B2B level, but still giving us a really bad retail price, but this is where it is at now...

Unless my business partner works magic in Germany while at CeBit and meeting with Destinator this is where they will be at first, all we can do...

This is why we like SE just as much and I want to provide as many free navigation plugins on the downloads page as possible...

Someone asked about TMC Pro, yes this is why it's not done yet... I didn't want just the old TMC, so I am waiting to the TMC Pro and the older version one added, since Pro gives actually usable data...

david

loginfailed · 06-23-2007, 02:16 AM

David,

Ive been regularly checking the Flux Media main page to see when I can buy a licensed copy of Centrafuse SE.

I noticed today that the store is on and I am able to buy it now.

I am ready to buy now, but I dont want to pull the trigger only to find out a day or two later that a discount code was released.

I logged into my Flux Media account and the Flux forums but didnt see anything about it.

If you are still implimenting a discount code, when & where would I expect to find it? Will we recieve it via email, a message in our Flux Media account or will it be posted somewhere else?

Thanks!