1998 Honda Accord Fabrication

thermoptic · 09-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Now that I have selected my 8.4" NEC panel and IRTOUCH IR touchscreen, I am digging into the fabrication side. I have started reading the sticky threads. I will use the IR TS as my bezel but I plan to mate the bezel flush, with just a gasket seal. I don't have the touchscreen yet, just studying pictures. I plan on ordering another console piece and working on this at my leisure so my interior doesn't look like a train wreck during fab. I found the following on the HondaPartsDeals.com website (Ill. No. 10), I think this is all I need:

77250-S84-A01ZA 010 PANEL ASSY., INSTRUMENT CENTER(NH167L) $48.17

Based on the size of my LCD, I will need to relocate my climate control buttons, the fan blower control knob, and the temp. control knob. I think I can fit these into the storage area below, but I will need to find a piece of plastic to drill out. I searched through the accessories links on some of the Honda sites, but I didn't see anything that would drop in here.

I thought about using a fusion brain to control these buttons, but what if I need to cool the car to start the carputer, then I have a catch-22 and I would burn alive in the summertime

Also, when I had the car in for service, I would have to be logged in and that would be a pain...so, I will keep the real controls. I sized the controls with cardboard. Everything will fit, although I may remove the lighter plug to allow better symmetry with the rotary knobs. I will pull the Alpine head unit and use only an amp.

Questions
1. Any suggestions for the storage area backplane piece? I will search some more to see what I can find.
2. How strong is the chemical smell from fab? If I work in the garage will it seep into the house? If I seal the entry door frame with plastic, will that do the trick? The kitchen is located next to the garage and I don't want to catch an earful from the wife...

3. Does anyone know of shops that will do this for you? I saw turbocad6 mention $400 plus materials in the Perfect Bezel Thread. Is this the going rate? This is steep and pushes me in the DIY direction. Although, there would be a ******** of sanding in my future. Maybe I could contract out only the climate control piece?
4. Can you buy special keyed screws for the dash to make if difficult for a car thief to quickly disassemble the console and lift the LCD? This is similar to keyed lug nuts. I was wondering if anyone went this route.

TIA!

thermoptic · 09-23-2007, 05:06 PM

For question four, this product looks promising:

http://www.keyedlok.com/

thermoptic · 09-23-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by thermoptic

For question four, this product looks promising:

http://www.keyedlok.com/

Scratch that! I dug deeper and they want $1500 - $2500 for a set. Oh well, I should have known better

travisroy74 · 09-23-2007, 06:17 PM

your standard "security screws" work pretty well. They are basically a Torx with a small bump in the middle so that you'd have to take the Torx bit and drill a corresponding hole in it in order to use the bit, no fear you can buy the special Torx at the same place as the bolts (Fastenal has them I believe, and I'm thinking Lowes, and Home Depot might as well.

Truth be told, theives do not use screwdrivers, they use pry bars....

thermoptic · 09-23-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by travisroy74

Truth be told, theives do not use screwdrivers, they use pry bars....

Very true. I was hoping to JB Weld/rivet/security-screw a metal mounting plate to the factory 2-din metal frame. I would then mount the LCD panel to this mount. I found some one-time screw bolts with break-off heads that might be cost effective. At least for the din frame attachment.

The IR TS has a protective glass plate. I would either mount the TS to the panel, or mount the TS to the bezel. An industrious thief may pry off the bezel, but he/she would need their A-Game to lift the panel...

It's been awhile since I installed the Alphine HU, so maybe I will need to mount both the panel and TS to the bezel, since proper alignment with the mount-to-frame option will be too difficult??? I found a dash tear down that provides a better glimpse of the 2-din metal mount.

1998 Accord Dash Disassembly
http://www.autotoys.com/New_Tech/DIY...ord/accord.htm

Man, what am I getting myself into . . .

thermoptic · 09-23-2007, 09:47 PM

As I continue to read, I think the easier choice would be to use http://www.emachineshop.com/ to construct the climate control panel. This would be a drop-in replacement. I could apply primer, SEM, and final black coat. I see $150 for single quantity. Is this realistic??

I could also construct a square plastic housing for TS and panel, since I have the detailed drawing specs. I would "glue" this block into the Honda part (dremel out the space), so just some minor plastic welding and sanding, then primer, SEM, and final black coat.

Could I really do this for $300 total? Sounds too good to be true?? I would much rather spend time in CAD versus in the garage sanding....

MatrixPC · 09-25-2007, 10:06 AM

Check my Y2K Accord setup. The Accord double DIN is very decent size. Maybe you just trim a little more to get it to hold a bare 8.4" panel. There are lot of room left for a 7" install. No need for a climate control relocation.

If you need a spare radio bezel, hit the usual place, yeah, fleebay. KQL or one of the salvage yard sell for a bout 30 bucks and depend on location, you can pick up the piece.

thermoptic · 09-25-2007, 08:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MatrixPC

Check my Y2K Accord setup. The Accord double DIN is very decent size. Maybe you just trim a little more to get it to hold a bare 8.4" panel. There are lot of room left for a 7" install. No need for a climate control relocation.

Hey man, thanks for the link! Fiberboard is the smart way to handle this install.

Why is this not a sticky! I was planning to sell the Alpine HU and buy an amp plus USB FM/AM tuner. Well, not after learning about the 3rd DIN adapter.

I can mount my Alpine in the 3rd DIN and use a $30 aux audio adapter for PC audio connection.

I placed the 8.4" (4:3 ratio) panel on the dash and it is too big. I will explore the MDF option, but I need to order the Honda dash bezel to get a better idea. Further research reveals the climate control is a single piece with light guides. The total assembly is $156 dollars if I want to eventually restore to factory stock condition after hacking into three pieces. I'm thinking I will mount the entire assembly in a black plastic panel box and mount in the arm rest console area, this would be cheap and easy. I would have to extend the wiring, but that won't be too difficult.

MatrixPC · 09-26-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by thermoptic

Hey man, thanks for the link! Fiberboard is the smart way to handle this install.

Why is this not a sticky! I was planning to sell the Alpine HU and buy an amp plus USB FM/AM tuner. Well, not after learning about the 3rd DIN adapter.

I can mount my Alpine in the 3rd DIN and use a $30 aux audio adapter for PC audio connection.

I placed the 8.4" (4:3 ratio) panel on the dash and it is too big. I will explore the MDF option, but I need to order the Honda dash bezel to get a better idea. Further research reveals the climate control is a single piece with light guides. The total assembly is $156 dollars if I want to eventually restore to factory stock condition after hacking into three pieces. I'm thinking I will mount the entire assembly in a black plastic panel box and mount in the arm rest console area, this would be cheap and easy. I would have to extend the wiring, but that won't be too difficult.

Wow, 156 buck for that climate control? Watch this store http://stores.ebay.com/LKQonline Sometime they have one for about 30 - 40 bucks with/without the bezel.

thermoptic · 09-27-2007, 01:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MatrixPC

Wow, 156 buck for that climate control? Watch this store http://stores.ebay.com/LKQonline Sometime they have one for about 30 - 40 bucks with/without the bezel.

Great store link! I didn't realize eBay offered such a wide selection of used parts. Yeah, I'm new to interior dash hacking.

I think I found a suitable climate control unit with bezel for $25, but I need to verify operation with '98.

I found a better disassembly guide for '98-'02 Accords:
http://www.ledautomotive.com/HowToGu...owToManual.asp

After further consideration, I think relocating the entire climate control in the armrest console will be annoying. I may pass on the 3rd DIN and mount climate controls in storage area. Still deciding... It appears that there is a PCB backplane with IC, so I can't just cut this whole assembly into three pieces. I can cut the fan knob off easily. I would have to de-solder the switches and pot knob, then wire from front bezel back to a PCB. Of course I would have to extend the lighting as well. I need to see this up close to inspect the traces, number of PCB layers, etc. to make a more informed decision.

Here's a view of the PCB:
http://www.ledautomotive.com/HowToGu...owToManual.asp

Note that I brought my NEC panel out to the car tonight before digging deeper into the climate control relocation to quadruple check the size. Yep, I will have to relocate the climate controls!

Note that on my way to the car, I noticed an issue with my front left tire. See photo below. Suddenly I remembered intermittent vibrations that started a few days ago. I threw on the spare before I snapped the photos. I would have missed this in the morning rush. To think about a complete tire separation at 70 mph....

Man, dash fabrication may well have saved my life!

Well, I checked the other tires, and the front right is also showing noticeable wear. Rear pair is fine. Need to check warranty, tires shouldn't be that old

Well, no need to bore you all to tears about tire problems in a fab thread. I will recommend you check your tires after reading this post! Also check your spare (mine was a little low). I carry a portable air compressor in the car, with valve tool, spare valve caps, pressure gauge, and plug-kit. Of course all of these will do nothing for the case of a separated tread.

MatrixPC · 09-27-2007, 09:31 AM

Doesn't look that bad. It look like the wide fix just find, but the height. It is easier to push the lcd down (extend the bezel) rather than up (relocate HVAC control). What I mean is chop the bottom of the bezel for the lcd to fit.

Talking about tire separation. I had one (on the supra) at 85mph (traffic flow). Lucky for me, it's a rear tire that the wheel shop loan me when I had my wheel repair. The good thing was no accident cause by the separation. What really freak me out was seeing the tire rolled down the freeway when I already on the e-lane.

thermoptic · 09-30-2007, 06:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MatrixPC

Doesn't look that bad. It look like the wide fix just find, but the height. It is easier to push the lcd down (extend the bezel) rather than up (relocate HVAC control). What I mean is chop the bottom of the bezel for the lcd to fit.

I see. Basically, I extend the bottom by maybe an inch or so. If I buy two bezels, I should be able to make some clean cuts and splice in two side pieces to drop this bezel. Looks like the SEM bumper repair will work best here? This will be a little tricky given the two mounting screws at the bottom. I may be able to preserve their current location. I should have my bezel here by Wednesday so I can get an idea of the depth. I may have to dremel into the tan dash frame...

But that is much better than relocating the entire climate controls!

Quote: Originally Posted by MatrixPC

Talking about tire separation. I had one (on the supra) at 85mph (traffic flow). Lucky for me, it's a rear tire that the wheel shop loan me when I had my wheel repair. The good thing was no accident cause by the separation. What really freak me out was seeing the tire rolled down the freeway when I already on the e-lane.

85 mph!

Yikes! Well, it turns out I needed a front-end alignment. I measured thread depth on the rear set and decided to replace all four tires. This was a serious hit to the car PC budget, but luckily I have all the big stuff purchased.

GoHybrid · 10-11-2007, 04:51 AM

pm sent.

thermoptic · 10-13-2007, 01:22 PM

Work is very busy this month. I will be able to return to all things Car PC in November. Stay tuned...

thermoptic · 02-19-2008, 12:26 AM

Well, I have found time and motivation to resume. I popped the bezel and snapped some photos of the dash interior. Using the link posted early, I was able to remove the bezel in under five minutes. Kind of scary. A professional thief would need about 20 seconds.

My infrared touchscreen will be the largest piece. Based on my measurement, I can Dremel out the face of the bottom half and preserve the back mounting holes. This will bring the LCD and touchscreen forward a bit, but it beats having to relocate the dash controls.

I have a duplicate dash piece that I ordered long ago. I will put it under the knife later in the week. Excellent...