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04-23-2007, 04:49 PM
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Colorado, but Canadian!
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Who needs a driver. 
One sec, I'll find and post/edit this.
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04-23-2007, 04:50 PM
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#272
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MA, USA
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Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster  Who needs a driver.
One sec, I'll find and post/edit this.
HAHA... Its a feature: Paperweight function 
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04-23-2007, 04:51 PM
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#273
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Super Moderator. If my typing sucks it's probably because I'm driving....
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NY
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got mine too... soldering it up for my initial stuff is trivial, I guess I need software to to do anything with this too 
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04-23-2007, 04:52 PM
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#274
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Fusion Brain Creator
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04-23-2007, 04:53 PM
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote: Originally Posted by turbocad6 got mine too... soldering it up for my initial stuff is trivial, I guess I need software to to do anything with this too
Soldering! 
I guess you are the first Fusion hax0r! 
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04-23-2007, 04:58 PM
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Super Moderator. If my typing sucks it's probably because I'm driving....
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NY
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yeah man, instead of ordering all the headers & connectors & stuff I'll just solder it up, works for me
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04-23-2007, 05:30 PM
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MA, USA
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I found an interesting error in the board... Im not sure if this is the software of the brain but when I turn on DO#7 DO#8 turns off/will not go on. Two other things, as well. One, the board will disconnect and immediately reconnect to the computer; seems like a driver problem. When this happens if something is on it will turn off if its default is not set. Two, not sure if this is what its supposed to do but when defaults are set on a DO and the USB is disconnected (Simulating the computer being off) and the program is not set to defaults before this the board dose not return to default. <- This is what I meant by the feature request I made a while back.
I forgot to mention that since I do not have my car right now I'm testing it on my home/work system which is running Vista which may explain some of the problems Im having.
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Last edited by P3D4T0R; 04-23-2007 at 05:32 PM.
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04-23-2007, 06:09 PM
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#278
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R I found an interesting error in the board... Im not sure if this is the software of the brain but when I turn on DO#7 DO#8 turns off/will not go on. Two other things, as well. One, the board will disconnect and immediately reconnect to the computer; seems like a driver problem. When this happens if something is on it will turn off if its default is not set. Two, not sure if this is what its supposed to do but when defaults are set on a DO and the USB is disconnected (Simulating the computer being off) and the program is not set to defaults before this the board dose not return to default. <- This is what I meant by the feature request I made a while back.
I forgot to mention that since I do not have my car right now I'm testing it on my home/work system which is running Vista which may explain some of the problems Im having.
1. Some boards have bad LEDs. this is a QC issue we will try to work out with the PCB manufactur. Try putting your relay on the output and seeing if it responds. I remember two boards had bad LEDs.
2. The board disconnecting/reconnecting is a particularly annoying issue, one I became aware of after I mailed the boards. Nick and I are working on this. It is hard to solve because it is so intermittent.
3. Nick will respond to the default behavior.
Thanks for working with us guys, there will be issues but we will mail you new PICs with updated firmware as I get them worked out.
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04-23-2007, 06:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by greenman100 1. Some boards have bad LEDs. this is a QC issue we will try to work out with the PCB manufactur. Try putting your relay on the output and seeing if it responds. I remember two boards had bad LEDs.
2. The board disconnecting/reconnecting is a particularly annoying issue, one I became aware of after I mailed the boards. Nick and I are working on this. It is hard to solve because it is so intermittent.
3. Nick will respond to the default behavior.
Thanks for working with us guys, there will be issues but we will mail you new PICs with updated firmware as I get them worked out.
1. This is what I thought at first but I tested it and with OD#7 and #8 on through software; #8 will be off (no power with volt meter) but if I turn #7 off, leaving #8 on, #8 will come on. This is repeated while turning #7 on and off.
2. Aleast you know about it :shrug:
3. ...
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04-23-2007, 06:17 PM
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2005
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I really need help on the disconnect/reconnect thing, guys. any bug reports or information you can give me would be appreciated. It is hard to troubleshoot because it is so intermittent. I've had the board go all night without disconnecting, and I've had it do it 3 times in 10 minutes.
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04-23-2007, 06:18 PM
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Fusion Brain Creator
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Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R 1. This is what I thought at first but I tested it and with OD#7 and #8 on through software; #8 will be off (no power with volt meter) but if I turn #7 off, leaving #8 on, #8 will come on. This is repeated while turning #7 on and off.
2. Aleast you know about it :shrug:
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I really think this is a problem with your board. I can't duplicate it on this end. We will see though, if other people have the same troubles.
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04-23-2007, 06:24 PM
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MA, USA
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Quote: Originally Posted by greenman100 I really think this is a problem with your board. I can't duplicate it on this end. We will see though, if other people have the same troubles.
OK, Is their a way for me to check/re-flash the firmware from here?
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04-23-2007, 06:41 PM
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#283
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R OK, Is their a way for me to check/re-flash the firmware from here?
Eventually, yes. Right now, no, unless you have access to a 40 pin programmer.
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04-23-2007, 06:42 PM
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#284
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Fusion Brain Creator
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R I found an interesting error in the board... Im not sure if this is the software of the brain but when I turn on DO#7 DO#8 turns off/will not go on.
Very weird. I have not had this problem, and as far as I know neither has Tim, so I am fairly certain it is not a software problem. As Tim said, our manufacturer must have been smoking some crack or something when they did a couple boards... I cant tell because I am red green colour blind, but apparently, some leds are green, and some are yellow, and some are red.  So god only knows whatelse they f'ed up.
A couple troubleshooting questions:
1.) Does ouput #8 work fine with ouput #7 off?
2.) Do you see any solder bridges between out #7 and out #8 on your board? They were hand-soldered, so there very well might be mistakes unfortuneatly. We will have a harshly worded email with our manufacturer if this is the case.
3.) Does it just not work at all, or does it go on and then off?
Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R The board will disconnect and immediately reconnect to the computer; seems like a driver problem.
Yeah this is a strange problem... What length cable are you using? This seems like a magical "fix" sort of at least on my end. I used a 6' cable and all was well and a 12' and it kept happening. Like Tim said, hard to diagnose. It doesn't seem to make any sense. We checked the physical temperature, and it seemed within the specs. Also the software communicates through the dll, and the dll only transmits if the device is a-ok. So the dll and the software seem to be doing fine. Proof being once it reconnects, no crashes and it starts going right where it left off.
Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R When this happens if something is on it will turn off if its default is not set.
This should not be the case. It should stay in suspended animation sort of. Like whatever was on, stays on, and whatever was off, stays off. Once yours disconnects, do your outputs all go to off?
Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R Two, not sure if this is what its supposed to do but when defaults are set on a DO and the USB is disconnected (Simulating the computer being off) and the program is not set to defaults before this the board dose not return to default. <- This is what I meant by the feature request I made a while back.
When the program closes all the outputs go to off. And when the program is restarted, they all go back to default. Soon the program will detect going into standby/hibernate and set to all off. And then upon resume go to defualt.
is this not what you had in mind?
Quote: Originally Posted by P3D4T0R I forgot to mention that since I do not have my car right now I'm testing it on my home/work system which is running Vista which may explain some of the problems Im having.
Seems like for once Vista is not the culprit. ... unfortuneatly. But hence the beta period.
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04-23-2007, 07:07 PM
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#285
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Variable Bitrate
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: MA, USA
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Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster
1.) Does ouput #8 work fine with ouput #7 off?
2.) Do you see any solder bridges between out #7 and out #8 on your board? They were hand-soldered, so there very well might be mistakes unfortuneatly. We will have a harshly worded email with our manufacturer if this is the case.
3.) Does it just not work at all, or does it go on and then off?
1. Yes, it works fine while #7 is off
2. No, It appears clean to me
3. It will work normally while #7 is off but #7 is almost like a switch when it goes on #8 turns off and will remain that way until #7 turns off again. If #8 is off and #7 turns on #8 will stay off.
Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster
Yeah this is a strange problem... What length cable are you using?
I believe it is 6'-8' Long
Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster
This should not be the case. It should stay in suspended animation sort of. Like whatever was on, stays on, and whatever was off, stays off. Once yours disconnects, do your outputs all go to off?
What I did to test the computer being shut off was simple, I just unplugged the USB cable. When I did this the ones that were on stayed on, the ones with animations stopped animating; passed in whatever state they were in (on/off), the ones that were set to default on but were off then i disconnected the USB stayed off... The idea I had was when there is no connection the the computer but there was power that the DO's would be in there default state.
Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster
When the program closes all the outputs go to off. And when the program is restarted, they all go back to default. Soon the program will detect going into standby/hibernate and set to all off. And then upon resume go to defualt.
is this not what you had in mind?
What I had in mind was a to go into default when there is no communication with the program... however, in writing this I think what you have plus what I had in mind would be nice to chose between in settings.
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