Cold weather operators, how do you keep the 'puter warm? - Page 2

greatwhite · 01-04-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster

Also remember cold air + heat = water

Not a whole lot of humidity in air temps between -15c to -30c.....................

Anyways, the "warmed" air will be blown in to the cavity, not directly on the components. The warming effect will be gradual at best. The way it is now, there's no heat in the trunk compartment at all as it is separated completely from the passenger compartment. So, the puter warms itself or it never gets to start. A supplimental source in extreme cold still seems a reasonable solution.

I'm also beginning to think the non-start condition may have been caused by the lcd. The power button on the Lilli went from blue (power on) to red (power off) and when I pushed it to turn the monitor back on, it flashed red. Nothing would stop it. The puter never spun up as there was no music as there would be with the puter on and the screen off. The only thing that worked was a complete car off /car off cycle after the interior warmed up.

Wouldn't be the firt time I've had the lilli and the nvdia card do something weird..............

hasn't repeated this behaviour since, but it's only been around -10c the last day.

Could have been an unrelated to the cold "glitch" I suppose.........

h3rk · 01-04-2008, 02:24 PM

Maybe a tad OT. but wouldn't it be cool to have a wireless power transmission solution here. where there is a stator under the car and at home, in your garage, you park over the source of a rotating field, which then induces voltage that can be rectified...etc... down to 13.8V, this would allow for things like keeping the car warmed up, computer on, and for electric cars... Anyway if the car is that cold, maybe it's not in a garage.
Out in town, there's always the idea of automatic monitoring of temperature and battery voltage where the car can start itself (after a basic automatic safety check) up long enough to recharge and maintain the necessary minimum climate conditions and charge state. Maybe an external controller would be best for that, to minimize drain and allow for hibernation/sleep/off/whatever.

2k1Toaster · 01-04-2008, 02:34 PM

I like the more modern wireless power transmission using harmonic frequencies to oscillate some semiconductor material and produce itty bits of power each but they are so small that it adds up with a bunch of them.

HiJackZX1 · 01-04-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by h3rk

Maybe a tad OT. but wouldn't it be cool to have a wireless power transmission solution here. where there is a stator under the car and at home, in your garage, you park over the source of a rotating field, which then induces voltage that can be rectified...etc... down to 13.8V, this would allow for things like keeping the car warmed up, computer on, and for electric cars... Anyway if the car is that cold, maybe it's not in a garage.
Out in town, there's always the idea of automatic monitoring of temperature and battery voltage where the car can start itself (after a basic automatic safety check) up long enough to recharge and maintain the necessary minimum climate conditions and charge state. Maybe an external controller would be best for that, to minimize drain and allow for hibernation/sleep/off/whatever.

Yea and say your working on your car, and forget to turn it off and you roll right in the field...... Can you say instant fried mechanic!!!!!!!!

h3rk · 01-04-2008, 03:10 PM

Eh, I know lots of mechanics.
Ok so maybe just turn the garage into a giant microwave like 2k1Toaster says.

Anyway, I don't think a garage solution is the appropriate answer here, being that many people have their cars parked out on the street.

but it seems that any valid answer needs some electricty. And heaters can be power hogs, blowers too. So I thought I'd add the idea.

HiJackZX1 · 01-04-2008, 04:06 PM

I know this may sound stupid, but they make those flat coils that have 2 fans in the middle for cooling hard drives....

Maybe you can replace the fans with some type of low heat coil system that has an on and off switch up near the driver. Turn it on to heat up the HD, then turn it off when running ok..... Or even better.... put the heating element over the fans, and have them blow down onto the HD.

Maheriano · 01-04-2008, 05:25 PM

I feel like I post this same post over and over.
I lived in Calgary where it got below -40 and I had a computer in my car all winter. It was only the hard drive that didn't work at those temperatures, I'd have to wait until the car warmed up, then shut it off and turn it back on again. But I also had a starter to heat up the car to some degree.

Maheriano · 01-04-2008, 05:28 PM

And as a solution to the problem, temporarily, I'll take a trick from my dad. He's got a cabin in Newfoundland where the pipes for the plumbing go from the cabin to the ground and in between the 2 they're exposed and can freeze. So what he did was put 3 regular 60 watt light bulbs on a circuit with a thermostat and it works perfect. It warms up the little area to 8 degrees, shuts off, and turns on again automatically when it senses a drop below 8 degrees.

Bugbyte · 01-04-2008, 07:39 PM

Try this automotive extreme drive.

nobb · 01-04-2008, 08:16 PM

Hey Maheriano, did you have any problems at all with your M10000 in -40C? I have been having cold related motherboard problems (with two separate boards) and decided to buy the M10000 because this post said it work work down to -35C (but there is no reassurance that it will work at -40):

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/powe...ards-psus.html

But then I just read another post where one guy said his onboard sound on the M10000 gave distorted sounds until it warmed. Is this true?

quantum · 01-04-2008, 09:20 PM

This is my first winter with a working CarPC, so I was a bit curious to see what would happen in the cold weather.

The other day, I had my chance. In North Joisey, it was a balmy 11 F when I started my car at 9am. Means it was probably close to 0F or even in the minuses overnight, and the car sat for a good 12 hours out there. Poor baby...

PC booted right up, no stall or boot errors, no delay, no problems at all!!!!

So, I did a little test in a controlled environment, or the best I could at least. I have another PC, same exact machine, same exact programs, the only difference is the drive RPM.

In the carPC I use a 2.5" HD of the 5400RPM variety. In the other one there is a 4200 RPM HD, both 40GB. I put the test machine outside on the deck overnight, so it would be just as cold as the one in the car. The next morning, I hooked it up to a monitor and power supply (outside so it wouldn't get warmed at all).

It started, but it took 3 tries. I heard the drive spinning, LEDS came on, but it didn't boot. Powered it down, tried again, then again, then it booted, very slowwwwwwwwwwwwly. Took about 1.5 minutes to hit the Windows main screen.

Then, I went out to the car and fired that one up. 45 seconds later, I'm booted and running no problems.

So, I froze my *** off and got the sniffles in the name of CarPC science. Hope it helps the cause!

maximapwr · 01-04-2008, 09:58 PM

Here's my 2 cents.
About a month ago, I was at a party and decided to spend the night.(car parked outside).
I had a 2 month old 5400rpm 2.5 drive, 120gb installed. Was working perfectly.
Left the party at 8am temp was -8F, it had gotten to -15F overnite.
Warmed up the car for 10 mins. then left for my 1hour drive.
PC ran fine for about 35mins. Then Blue Screen.... Reboot and couldn't find boot device.
HDD was gone.
I believe going from -15F to a toasty 40-50F in about 30min Was too much for the harddrive. Not sure if it was condensation or what. But now when it gets 10F or less, I justs skip the carputer altogether and use the stock radio.
Nothing else giving me a problem, replaced hard drive and everything is working as it was.

dyne · 01-04-2008, 10:23 PM

I've fit my computer behind the lcd in my dash. The heating vent runs right above the compartment the computer is in, which I would guess helps heat it up pretty quickly.

So far I've had the computer fail to boot once when it was 10*F, but it booted up fine within 5 minutes of starting the car.

Lithoss · 01-05-2008, 12:10 AM

Last week i spent a few days in Red River NM, it got down to -33F at night (-36C).
When i got into my car in the morning when it was still -8, there was FROST on the inside of my car... it was really weird.
It took my car (a 2006 subaru) about 3 minutes to start of cranking off and on (no engine block heater)... then i let the thing idle for 25 minutes to warm up.

Anyway, i always let my lilliput heat up before i try to turn on my system, usually takes 5 minutes otherwise the screen wont turn on at all (does anyone else's do this? even just around freezing?)
After that 5 minutes, nothing turned on at all. I gave it another 25 minutes (while driving), still nothing. So i pulled over and grabbed the pc from under my seat. The WHOLE thing was covered in frost, including inside on the motherboard and heatsinks, etc...... i got my wife to wipe it off as we drove some more, and after about 20 more minutes, pulled over and installed it again, and it worked fine.

So i guess what im trying to say is if you get that cold, make sure you dont try to start it with frost on it, or you might have some nice water on your mobo etc....

greatwhite · 01-05-2008, 08:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bugbyte

Try this automotive extreme drive.

Thanks, but it's already too small for my current use.