dosquito

btw could someone please explain how to adjust the volume on this. can it just be done with the normal volume bar in windows xp?

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amapro704

CD audio is 16 bit as well. In fact cd readers are only able to read @ 16bit. There is no shame in 16bit. lol. Why do you think there is an everlasting argument on Head-fi.com about whether there is an audible difference between 16/24 bit. The importance here is that an outboard DAC eliminates a lot of the problems carputer users encounter with other forms of sound output (hardware noise, jitter and weak output) and the Bloat is the best value in a DAC available right now. My $.02

t3sn4f2

Gotta read the thread

Naamanf

Should be fine with the Bloat also seeing as Vista does not use the same audio scheme as XP.

I am just trying to clear up the fact that the Bloat does not do 24bit audio (limited by the receiver) even though the DAC chip is capable of it.

All the USB DACs I have use the PCM2707/2706 and I think it does just fine as a receiver. The PCM1794 is a really good DAC, so the Bloat should sound really good as long as the I/V stage is properly implemented.

I hope I didn't scare anyone away because this does seem like a pretty good little package for the price.

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amapro704

Yes indeed it can be controlled with windows sliders and thru your front end if it controls the wave line (roadrunner and others do- if yourd doesn't it can be modified..)

amapro704

Thanks for clearing this up. Most DAC's that are 24bit are limited in the same way, but stilled called 24 bit. I'm not trying to mislead anybody :/ If you are ripping CD's to your comp through the cd drive or even playing right thru the CD drive then you are limited to 16 bit anyways. I think DVD audio is all that exceeds 16bit. This will sound awesome with vista -better than XP even. Sounds great with Macs too.

HIPPOhifi

Firstly I will clear up the discussion by saying the Bloat uses a 24bit DAC and a 16bit receiver which it is limited by. Essentially 8bits of the DAC are not used. Now the next question that everyone asks is does this degrade or improve the performance. After numourous tests with other DACs and positive testimony, I believe it does not.

So for the next question, what does effect a DACs output. The contributing factors that make an excellent DAC in my opnion are the DACs design topology, its dynamic range, the source type, the output current and the power supply filtering. I wont talk about all of these but I will mention two, the source is I2S which has no jitter unlike SPDIF and as for the power supply there is roughly 5 times the required capacitance. The PCM1794 is one of the best DACs available, last time I checked the 2nd cheapest commerical DAC that uses this chip was about $600.

P.S. The DAC will work just as well with Vista as it does XP and vice versa.

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amapro704

Thanks Brent for clearing that up! You the man!!!

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Autockr989

By having to split the output to multiply channels, wouldn't right there be losing a tremendous amount of sound quality. Not to mention a seperate sub channel that is non-existent.

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amapro704

No you wouldn't lose sound quality by splitting, and you want the sub channel to be separate because you want separate volume control for it? If thats the case you can split the signal and add an RCA level controller to the sub line. Or use this nifty device: http://cgi.ebay.com/JL-AUDIO-CL-RLC-...d=p3286.c0.m14 Its what I'm using. It gives you 2 pair of outputs from 1 input- 1 pair is volume controlled (your sub line) and one is fixed.. Or use 2 Bloats!

dosquito

could we get an update on how many orders there have been?

Ces///M3

Just put my order in come on people lets make this happen!

amapro704

The group buy has been open for 1 week and we have 12 orders. So we still need more! For only one week we are moving along great. I need help spreading the word, anyone with any ideas just make it happen. Put posts and links up wherever you deem appropriate. Bottom line is it wont be hard to fill the rest of the orders if we get this out beyond just our community. And if we are 4 or 5 short, I'll just buy them. I know once this is over, there will be more positive testimonials out there and people will be wishing they had one so having a couple extras might not be a bad idea!

FusionFanatic

both of those options would work fine. if you want even more audio control then you could get an in-dash equalizer. I use a Clarion EQS-746 1/2-DIN equalizer in my setup. it has 2 sets of RCA inputs (main and aux) and 3 sets of RCA outputs (front, rear, and subwoofer). master volume control raises/lowers all levels, but each output's level can be controlled independently (via fader and sub level controls).

this best thing about units like this is that all controls are physical hardware knobs. no need to use the touchscreen/software to control volume and EQ levels. it also boosts the pre-amp output voltage up to 7v RMS, so your amp won't have to work as hard.

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amapro704

That is another great suggestion, and as a matter of fact I have one sitting right next to me collecting dust! They are sweet becasue you have separate and easy to get to adjustments for everything... Do you want mine??

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