baddest sytems I can build?

STZ · 09-09-2009, 10:48 PM

Hey Guys,

Here's the scoop,

What's the best processor I can fit into a Voom PC? with an M2 ATX?

I'd love to be able to make a quad core work. If not, dual core?

nobb · 09-10-2009, 12:12 AM

Probably wouldnt want to use the M series power supplies with something that powerful. I wouldnt trust my M2 with anything more than a low power Via or Celeron, after hearing all of horrible stories of what happens when you overload it.

STZ · 09-10-2009, 12:30 AM

I have no issues stepping up to a more powerful power supply.
Recomendation?
I just need to it fit into a small case, I don't even have to stick with the Voom. Just need a small, very powerful machine.

has anyone done quad core or dual core? and non atom. Or are atoms that bad?

summer69guy · 09-10-2009, 12:31 AM

get de dsatx..small powerfule nougt ..stable

kross · 09-10-2009, 02:16 AM

Dual cores are perfectly do-able. I have an AMD 5050e in mine. Go with the lower TDP ones, like any of the 45w AMD or 65w Intel CPUs.

Quad cores will put out significantly more heat. Too much for a Voom case. Get something with better ventilation, like this: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-univers...-itx-enclosure

2k1Toaster · 09-10-2009, 04:47 AM

Well Intel makes 35W and 65W Core 2 Duos. I run one in a MSI board. They draw less power than most of the older processors.

And atoms aren't bad.

afterdigital · 09-10-2009, 10:52 AM

@STZ

As i'm sure you've browsed through the forum and heard many state their opinion, i can only echo what's been said (with good intentions).

Putting a powerful system in a car has it's pro's and con's. Make yourself a list of these points and you will have the best system you can possibly ask for. As Nobb mentioned (and i learned the hard way) having the wrong hardware can be frustrating. Although, new technology and improvements in power consumption, heat and processing has greatly improved, there's still room for error.

With that said, i've had my eye on the Nvidia motherboard for the main reason that it's NVIDIA - a video guru company. Their reputation exceeds them and creating a motherboard around their video technology is one interesting approach. Their mobo however uses Atom, which IPO, is not a bad thing. The mobo is capable of 4gb of ram (ideal for Win7). Has dual screen built in (drooling)... And due to it's processor and small form factor - i would venture to guess that power consumption may be ideal for a car pc.

Here's a link to the mobo by Zotac with Nvidia ION @ newegg:

ZOTAC GF9300-D-E LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI WiFi Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Correction: This MOBO goes up to 8gb! woot woot!

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Punky · 09-10-2009, 04:14 PM

most mini itx board that supports 775 socket (ie zotac, intel...etc), will get you core2duo, core2quad...
which is a total overkill by any standard, but if you think its necessary then by all means.
The real problem is the heatsink + fan, which you can get a low profile version or fanless.
There's still one more problem, moving sufficient amount of air through that case for a high power c2d or c2q, would be quite tough without extra fans.
So my opinion would get a bigger case!
OR
buy board with mobile c2d processors, hella expensive.
OR
go for something less of an overkill, ie atom330.

summer69guy · 09-10-2009, 04:43 PM

or he new i5 has nice concomption feature

csfile · 09-10-2009, 05:05 PM

just to add a bit to afterdigital and Punky:
What do you plan on doing with the system? If it's just to play music, nav, some video, etc., then quad core is just overkill. Atoms aren't that bad. I personally think they are great for car applications (low power and heat).

Scotti · 09-10-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by afterdigital

@STZ With that said, i've had my eye on the Nvidia motherboard for the main reason that it's NVIDIA - a video guru company. Their reputation exceeds them and creating a motherboard around their video technology is one interesting approach. Their mobo however uses Atom, which IPO, is not a bad thing. The mobo is capable of 4gb of ram (ideal for Win7). Has dual screen built in (drooling)... And due to it's processor and small form factor - i would venture to guess that power consumption may be ideal for a car pc.

Here's a link to the mobo by Zotac with Nvidia ION @ newegg:

ZOTAC GF9300-D-E LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI WiFi Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Correction: This MOBO goes up to 8gb! woot woot!

High five to that! Cheers, I've been looking at the lower spec one of those (also a fan of Nvidia) and hadn't come across this gem!

summer69guy · 09-10-2009, 06:34 PM

nice find!

STZ · 09-10-2009, 06:59 PM

That Zotac board is the one that I am looking at.

The PC is going in the cabin of a boat (doesn't need to be ruggidized as it's dry) It does however have to be small. I am thinking of using an external DVD burner so that it can be remotely mounted away from the computer itself.

It's main job will to be running a program called MAXSEA. It gets data from the internet via sat, then desplays it, routes etc on the computer. The computer they have now is slow at running it. I'm sure a C2D would be adequate. My main concern was the heat sink.

examples of the boards with the c2d built in? cost isn't so much a factor here provided it is justifiable. I already mentioned SSD and they shot that down as unnecessary.

My main concern was the heat sink and it's size. That M350 Case will probably be how I proceed, but now, it's board and proc selection.

It will be running XP.

Sorry for the out of order thoughts, I just typed as things came to mind!

kross · 09-10-2009, 07:53 PM

The M350 can fit a stock heat sink and fan for most CPU's with a TDP of 65 watts or less, so you're good there. Also, low-profile heat sink/fan combos can be had on Newegg for $20-$30.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the M2-ATX won't fit in the M350. You'd probably have to go with a PicoPSU or the M3-ATX.

soundman98 · 09-10-2009, 08:25 PM

Wow, that is a pretty hefty program! what are the specs of the system they are using now?

What is your budget, and space requirements? (i know you need it small, but we would need dimesions of the install area)

and for anyone else interested, here is a copy-paste of the minimum and recomended requirements

Quote:

minimum:
Processor: 32 bits (x86) 1 GHz cadenced
RAM Memory: 1 GB
Hard Disk Capacity: 40 GB
Video Card: DirectX 9 (WDDM driver, Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel); minimum graphic memory :
MaxSea Navigator : 128 MB
MaxSea Explorer : 256 MB for NavNet3D radar display
Screen Settings: 800 X 600 / 16-bits
CD/DVD - ROM Drive 24X recommended for MaxSea Installation
Operating System : Windows XP x32 SP2 or Windows VISTA 32 capable / Windows VISTA 32 Prenium Ready Computers.
Used Ports : USB / Serial
Network Ethernet 10/100 Mbits connection Base-T

recomended:
Processor: 32 bits (x86) 2 GHz cadenced (Core Duo)
RAM Memory: 2 GB
Hard Disk Capacity: 120 GB
Video Card: DirectX 9 (WDDM driver, Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel); minimum graphic memory :
MaxSea Navigator : 256 MB
MaxSea Explorer : 512 MB for NavNet3D radar display
Screen Settings: 1024 X 768 / 32-bits
CD/DVD - ROM Drive 24X recommended for MaxSea Installation
Operating System : Windows XP x32 SP2 or Windows VISTA 32 capable / Windows VISTA 32 Prenium Ready Computers.
Used Ports : USB / Serial
Network Ethernet 10/100 Mbits connection Base-T

based on the recomendations, i would say that you should plan on using a video card, instead of onboard graphics, and at least a core 2 duo processor, and a gig or 2 of ram. Will they be using the computer to do anything else? Than you will need a even heftier system... also, i am not completely familiar with the program, or satillite interent, but the slow speed could also be related to the program relying on the internet connection-- i know that satillite ISP Hughesnet (sp?) has horrible upload speeds-- so if the program has to send large ammounts of data, the network could be the cause.

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