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Old 04-26-2005, 01:20 AM   #1
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Article: ParkingEye camera tickets automatically

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The parking spy that tells wardens when you are due a ticket

By David Millward, Transport Correspondent
(Filed: 20/04/2005)

A parking enforcement device that sends messages to alert traffic wardens that a driver should be given a ticket was put on show yesterday as plans were announced for a professional qualification for parking attendants.

The ParkingEye looks little more than an ordinary pay and display machine at first sight. But one day it will instil as much fear into motorists as speed cameras.
Traffic warden and ParkingEye
ParkingEye alerts traffic wardens by text messages

Even Andrew McKerney, the managing director of the manufacturers, said the machine was "evil" - before correcting himself and describing it as merely "very efficient".

The on-street version of the six-foot tall device spots a car as it parks and sends a text message to a traffic warden within seconds if the motorist either doesn't pay or overstays.

"Traffic wardens won't roam any more," Mr McKerney said with evident glee, "They will respond."

The version of the machine designed for car parks notes number plates on entry and, should the motorist fail to leave on time, issues a fine automatically.

The device was among an array of Orwellian technology on show at Parkex 2005, the parking industry trade show which opened in Birmingham yesterday, demonstrating that there is a lot of money to be made in an industry which is worth an estimated £3 billion a year.

It was all rather different from the days when Carl C Magee unveiled the world's first parking meter in Oklahoma City in 1935 or when they appeared on the streets of London in 1958.

ACPOA, which runs parking in a number of London boroughs, was particularly proud of its new hand-held computer for parking attendants.

It takes a picture of the offending car and sticks a picture on the parking ticket.

"There are always people trying to get out of paying fines, making all sorts of excuses," said Malcolm Daughtrey, the company's head of business development.

"This will prove an offence has been committed. If someone has parked on double yellow lines, this will prove it. So the collection rate will increase."

Such new technology will make parking attendants efficient, but it will hardly make them popular.

So perhaps it was just as well that the British Parking Association announced plans yesterday to offer Britain's 15,000 attendants a professional qualification.

An angry motorist will at least have the consolation of knowing that his or her ticket has been issued by an attendant in possession of a National Vocational Qualification.

The first student parking attendants are expected to enrol in the voluntary scheme within days. The course, which will also include basic parking law, is designed to improve the status of the job.

Perhaps it is just as well it will include instruction in how to spot signs that the driver's protests are about to turn physical.

"We will teach them awareness of people's behaviour and how to assess risk," said Rob Roseveare, who will be running the course. But even the angriest motorist will be rendered impotent by the latest wheel clamps.

The TMP Pro Mark Four was the talk of the show yesterday. "When that goes on, it stays on," said David Newman, general manager of Traffic Management Products, the manufacturers.

"It covers a whole range of cars, from a Mini to urban tractors. You wouldn't like to mess with one of those, it is a beast."

The fearsome contraption comes in two pieces. First there are a set of yellow steel jaws which fix themselves on to the rim of the hubcap and that is in turn secured by a foot-long rod.

While the industry talks of improving its image, the presence of nine different bailiffs' firms at the trade show suggests that what really matters is collecting the money.

"Everything is done electronically now," said Nick Bradley, managing director of Philips, a Darlington-based firm which deals in "debt recovery solutions".

As his staff offered small rubber clamps to passers-by, he explained how his men could be on somebody's doorstep within minutes.

"I have been a bailiff 15 years now. People have a different attitude to debt nowadays. At dinner parties they used to talk about their mortgage, now it's about how much they owe," he said with a certain amount of disgust.
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:24 PM   #2
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Ok, admittedly laws (in both the UK and US) are becoming more and more draconian and revenue generating, but the bottom line is that these devices will simply alert the authorities that you're breaking the law. Don't like them? Don't break the law.

Don't like the law? Effect change, instead of *****ing about it.

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Old 04-26-2005, 12:28 PM   #3
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Wow. I know if they had that ParkingEye around here, they would be replacing them quite a bit
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Old 04-26-2005, 12:47 PM   #4
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I guess covering up the camera with something will be against the law too
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:59 PM   #5
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Quote: Originally Posted by rubicon
Ok, admittedly laws (in both the UK and US) are becoming more and more draconian and revenue generating, but the bottom line is that these devices will simply alert the authorities that you're breaking the law. Don't like them? Don't break the law.

Don't like the law? Effect change, instead of *****ing about it.

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No, actually, some of the camera systems automatically issue tickets. The problem I see is that there is zero human interaction, and zero subjectivity. You could be running top speed to get your parking paid, but you're literally two seconds late, and you get a ticket. At least with a live officer you have a chance to explain and maybe get some leniency. Cameras don't give a crap about you. They're installed simply to issue the highest number of tickets with the least cost.

Perhaps you should also look into the proposals being discussed to put RFID tags in your registration stickers (they're already in your tires), initially to confirm insurance status (possibly in the future used for tolls and taxation), which will be read by in-road scanners which check every passing vehicle.

Don't believe me?... Look it up. You can even search the forum for my other threads.

I think you've got it backwards: Those devices will alert the authorities, but the bottom line is that laws are becoming more revenue-generating and draconian.

And the first step to effecting change is getting people informed.
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:09 PM   #6
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just put an extra quarter in the parking meter in case you're late....
what would be better is to completely get rid of parking meters and make use of the toll "smart tags" (or whatever they're called in your areas) to bill you automatically. that way you don't have to worry about being late or having change handy.

or even better: take the metro (or underground for you Brits... )
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:49 PM   #7
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ooo i forgot to mention this. heard it on the radio the other day. The inventors were proudly demonstrating it!!! pricks!!!
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They tried the photocop thing near me. It wound up costing the city so much money they abandoned it.

Step number one. Challenge EVERY ticket issued. There was an organized effort to do this and had the courts backed up beyond belief.

What is funny is that they still have the "photo enforced" signs up.
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Yet another argument for building directional EMP guns. No muss, no fuss, just a robo-metermaid that drops off the net without nary an error message.

A coil, a charge circuit, a fast switching relay, and a waveguide.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chairboy
Yet another argument for building directional EMP guns. No muss, no fuss, just a robo-metermaid that drops off the net without nary an error message.

A coil, a charge circuit, a fast switching relay, and a waveguide.

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Yet another argument for building directional EMP guns. No muss, no fuss, just a robo-metermaid that drops off the net without nary an error message.

A coil, a charge circuit, a fast switching relay, and a waveguide.

I like your style thinking
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Yet another argument for building directional EMP guns. No muss, no fuss, just a robo-metermaid that drops off the net without nary an error message.

A coil, a charge circuit, a fast switching relay, and a waveguide.

Better yet, here in the US our cars are large enough to run over and take out robots. Oh, and we have guns, lotsa guns to take out anything mounted high up.
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Better yet, here in the US our cars are large enough to run over and take out robots. Oh, and we have guns, lotsa guns to take out anything mounted high up.


Not to mention sniper sights.
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Not to mention sniper sights.

ouch, that was nice

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sounds like it does exactly what id like to be able to do with my carPC, use a camera to text me a picture, someone gonna knick one so you tech guys can hack it
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