Article: Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile - Page 2

sdashiki · 06-07-2005, 12:54 PM

This would take the work out of CSI: London

never have to place the suspect at the crime scene, you can just check the backlog of his GPS locations...

They tried this kinda GPS tracking for snowplowers in new england, it didnt work. They dont want people (especially the boss) knowing that 5 trucks are all parked at a strip joint instead of being on 5th and main or whatever.

Im all for less congestion, but charging people money to drive (regardless of continent) is ridiculous. People work and drive at set times everyday, you would now disrupt that by charging people money to drive during rush hours, when they must and do everyday... for those who couldnt afford another $5 a day to drive to/from work, where does that leave the job force?

spyhunter · 06-07-2005, 02:20 PM

Ladies and Gentalmen....Welcome to the New World Order

I've been following this topic for at least 6 months now. Legistlation is going in place in Texas, California and a number of other states. I also recall something about the use of RFID tags on your registration sticker. The proposed tax is 25-75 cents per mile, which would cost me thousands per year (100 miles a day). Definitely needs to be voted down. There are tons of articles linked over at www.infowars.com

Bugbyte · 06-07-2005, 10:47 PM

I said I'd shut up about this and I have. Just a link for Markbuts3 who asked about whether slug lines work or not: http://www.slug-lines.com/Index.htm

Skraggy_uk · 06-09-2005, 06:12 AM

The joke is, I pay £160GBP (is) on road tax to allow me to use my car. Plus I pay VAT on fuel, fuel duty on fuel+VAT, and VAT on fuel duty (so tax on duty+tax). They are talking about removing road tax, and reducing fuel duty. With the Guestimated £1.34 per mile at peak time on the most currently congested roads, even with fuel duty reduced to Zero, and Road tax abolished, I would be paying £12000 per year PAYD (Pay as you drive) tax. I only earn £17000. Out of that, I would need to pay the mortgage, have a lifestyle, buy clothes, and buy fuel to get to work, as well as maintain my car.

Or to put it into easier to understand terms. To use a high rated motorway at peak time, if the charge works, congestion is removed and you can drive at the limit, to drive for one hour at 70MPH would cost you more than £90 an hour.

hortimech · 06-09-2005, 02:51 PM

as I said, this is about ten years away and once people start to realise how much it is likely to cost them, and complaints start it will be quietly forgotten. If they do force it into law, most people will stop using motorways (too expensive, I mean it would cost me in excess of £270 to drive to london, not including fuel etc), there would be no point in having a small fuel efficient car as most of the cost in running it would be the charges. road transport costs would rise to pay new charge on artics etc ( £1.34 for cars on mways, whats a wagon going to pay). I personally hope it will never happen as the bad results of it actually happening will outway any good results (if any).

ShawJohn · 06-09-2005, 03:27 PM

UK's motorways are by far the safest places to travel on the ground in the UK, so what happens when a busy stretch of the M60 is 1.30UK/mile (no pound sign on my fold up keyboard) and all the adjoining country lanes and residential streets are 0.10ukp/mile.

Well anybody who doesn't want to pay will get off the m-way and onto smaller roads that have pedestrians around... Moving traffic off the conjested m-ways and onto less well maintained A&B roads.

Net result is more deaths which the powers that be will use agaist the motorists to introduce even more drakonian measures to punish us for using our cars.

They wont remove fuel taxes, just lower them, and you can almost garantee that they will gradually rise again.

This is the biggest load of non-sense that Labour have talked about in 10years and it makes me mad as hell.

I didn't vote the tw**s in...

Also what about domestic tourism, whos going to travel 300miles accros uk when flying to spain costs less?

What about Joe Bloggs who drives a 150mile round trip to work. Not going to want to work when it costs him over 100ukp a week to drive.

I wouldn't mind to much if I could get a train accross uk for decent money, but again, I've flown to europe for less than a virgin rail ticket from manchester to london. And the trains probably late to strt with. Thats if you feel safe on a train after the last few big crashes.

This country is turning into a world wide laughing stock!!!

Matthew230 · 06-09-2005, 03:51 PM

There are a couple of points that haven't been mentioned.

Firstly business would swallow a large percentage of this cost. A cost which they would then pass down the line to conusmers. So even if you didn't use the roads it would still cost you.

Secondly, this was all announced on one day by Alistair Darling rather than Tony Blair, sounds like a no news day, I doubt it'll ever happen.

Anyway when I was a kid, by 2005 everyone would be working from home ??

spyhunter · 06-09-2005, 07:30 PM

Blair = 33rd degree Freemason....is anyone surpised that this bill even got this far?

kevinbr100 · 06-10-2005, 12:53 AM

they are thinking about doing something similar here also, pretty quiet about it too. Washington state already testing something out. Its because they think with more fuel efficienct cars they won't get enough gas tax.
a few articles about it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in674120.shtml
http://gps.engadget.com/entry/1234000707020792/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281368/posts

Mad Ad · 06-10-2005, 08:18 PM

Germany already has this system up and running for lorries, the UK intends to have it inplace for foreign lorries entering the UK within 2 years, its only an extention of the system that will encompass all cars in the whole country that they are talking about.

Personally I think its just creating another revenue stream for criminals to manipulate ... £50 to have a months data written off anyone?

jzgt · 06-11-2005, 06:00 PM

How about the fact that we already pay taxes to USE the roads here? It's collected in property taxes. Why would I pay to maintain a road that I would then be charged to drive on? It's absurd. Congestion tax....I'm surprised they didn't rename it something like the 'Save Little Puppy Dogs tax' That'd go through much easier...Then they could say "How could you be against the SLPD tax? You must be a cold heartless bastard..." That's how they do things here in the US.

Ahh well....what's a couple of thousand dollars a year from everyone for them to squander?

- Jeff

mp3oplecarrier · 06-11-2005, 06:41 PM

They say that they will use this to reduce the amount of duty on fuel..
if the duty is removed, won't that be a good excuse for the fuel companies to start easing up their prices?

Personally I don't think it will ever happen, I reckon it's a smokescreen to cover whatever plan they REALLY have in mind so that when they drop this and introduce congestion charging in ALL cities (or whatever) , we will all be thankful!

WebDog · 06-11-2005, 07:12 PM

I think its crasy and would cost to much to put in.

Here in LA that wont help the freeways, everyone still needs to get to work and home from work. They dont seem to ever be working on the roads.

And think of the workers? i mean i drive 60 miles a day to work...

My uncle drived 80+ a day to work.

Bugbyte · 06-11-2005, 09:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by WebDog

Here in LA that wont help the freeways, everyone still needs to get to work and home from work. They dont seem to ever be working on the roads.

And think of the workers? i mean i drive 60 miles a day to work...

My uncle drived 80+ a day to work.

Why don't you think if it costs a lot of money to drive on the freeway at 9:00am that people would keep doing it?

If it costs a lot to drive your 60 miles to work between 8-10am, wouldn't you do something to change that? I would. I'd go earlier or later or carpool or work more at home or move or something.

This scheme works wonderfully when people want to fly at peak periods. It costs too much so they go at a different time or they go less often or they find a different way to go. Price allocates houses, computers, food, electricity, clothing, and a thousand other items in our lives. Why people think there's something different about road capacity is beyond me.

There's three issues that are being discussed on this thread. One, don't trust politicians. Two, they're watching you and tracking your movements. Three, I already pay enough to drive.

I happen to agree with most of the opinions stated, actually. But I don't understand why people are willing to throw up their hands and accept that gridlock is gridlock and there's simply nothing to be done about it.

WebDog · 06-12-2005, 02:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bugbyte

Why don't you think if it costs a lot of money to drive on the freeway at 9:00am that people would keep doing it?

If it costs a lot to drive your 60 miles to work between 8-10am, wouldn't you do something to change that? I would. I'd go earlier or later or carpool or work more at home or move or something.

Ok so then everyone will be driving before and after 8am -10am their will still be grid lock...

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